zekthedeadcow
New member
...anyone remember back in the mid 90's when soundblasters would explode? 
The truth about soundcards
- Thread starter Robert D
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LemonTree
Suck 'em and see!
Robert D said:
No hard feelings, Robert. You have a few posts under your belt so you must see it like I do. New guys 6 days or less asking the "what's the best **** for under $100", the guys with 6 months or less telling them what they picked up from the guys with 6 years or less posts. I've been here for 3 years because 1) I knew nothing when I first came here 2)I learned stuff I couldn't pay for from books from guys who'd been doing it for years 3)the whole site had a great community spirit.
Now I see a demise of the old and the wise and an influx of new members churning out regurgitaited info that they picked up wrong anyway and never tried or tested for themselves to newcomers. In hind sight after todays session I see the point of your post, to guys like YOU. For now 24 channels of M-Audio convertors feed my board, I get paid with beer and pizza for my troubles which at the end of the day is free experience from the comfort of my own self built home studio. If I wanted to upgrade I'd probably skip lynx and go Appogee. Can you give me a quote on 24 D/A convertors on that scale and tell me I'd be justified to upgrade for beer and pizza?
Printing up a couple of spec sheets is a far cry from actualy testing both cards in the same inviroment and posting up samples to back up your argument/findings
Thank god we still have the genius of Harvey posting in the mic forum.
Bring back The Bear!
travelin travis
New member
think he was saying you're a chump for doing it for free and then bitching about it. if it's enjoyable, cool. if it seems like a hassle to do it for free, then start charging for your services.
Ethan Winer
Acoustics Expert
Robert,
> I would like to think anyone getting into recording can understand that a freaking 9.41 db variation in a frequency response curve is utterly gross. <
Maybe I wasn't clear enough? You measured wrong! For whatever ills an Audigy card may suffer, 9+ dB deviations in the response is not one of them.
--Ethan
> I would like to think anyone getting into recording can understand that a freaking 9.41 db variation in a frequency response curve is utterly gross. <
Maybe I wasn't clear enough? You measured wrong! For whatever ills an Audigy card may suffer, 9+ dB deviations in the response is not one of them.
--Ethan
pipelineaudio
Well-known member
the other term is honest recording engineerchessrock said:
we get called in to fix stuff after the sheisters have gotten all the band's money
I tried to Record with My Sound Blaster Card when I first Started thinking about Recording but there was about 7 to 9db of Backround Hum/Noise that was allways there...It sounded worse than Analogue Recording and most Sound Cards I have Tried Since had between 3 and 10db of Backround Hum/Noise accept for the Delta 44 which has No Noise that I can hear or See as a Waveform in My Recording software......
Cheers
Cheers
An honest Recording Engineer is a professional who is compensated, monetarily, for his time and expertise.
On the other hand, those who work for free are either called artists, or they're called interns. So let's not confuse the word "Recording Engineer" with any of this. Recording Engineers, by definition, are professionals, and professionals get paid for what they do.
When was the last time a plumber or electrician came to your place, fixed something, and said: "That's okay. You can keep your money. I just fix stuff for the love of helping people and doing a service to the human race. And to stick it to all those other evil plumbers who actually charge money." ?
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pipelineaudio
Well-known member
Yeah, in the 80's
Sure you will be compensated, maybe, doubtful unless you are a shade that you will get 3/4 of the hours you put in though
Comparing with a plumber is pretty far off. Not that plumbers are MUCH better regulated in all cases, but in many areas you dont just say " hey Im a plumber, I have the wrench that Frigidesign sold me from Plumbers Magazine" the other real plumbers could rub him out, legally or not
A plumber does a job that IS either done or IS NOT done and can charge when it is, no matter what the customer likes it or not. A plumber is not competeing against amatuers who are also intentionally running business at a LOSS.
Except for dealing with shit 24 hours a day, I cant think of many relavant parallels between plumbers and recording engineers
pipelineaudio said:
Um ... it's pretty simple, actually, Pipeline. You hold out your hand and tell them what they owe. I can't think of a more simple concept. People do it all the time to me just about anywhere I shop. It's the craziest thing.
That's because plumbers have more self-respect that won't allow them to give away free work. Including the amateurs. Come to think of it ... even migrant workers have more pride than to work for free.
Ya know, Pipeline ... just thinking out loud ... the next time you work for free, and you get hungry and make a McDonalds run ... remember this: The guy that just took your order has got a leg up on the social ladder. He actually got paid to give you your McChicken sandwich. He's livin' pretty large compared to the guy giving away free work (you, in this completely hypothetical example).
Come to think of it ... I can only think of three other instances in our society where working for free has historically been practiced: Slavery, Volunteer work, and Prisoners. And last time I checked, music isn't a charity, so next time you feel that you aren't getting just compensation for your labors, take a lesson from the cashier at McDonald's (the rightful superior, on the social ladder, to anyone currently working for free) ... hold out your hand, and say: "That'll be $ ____ ."
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pipelineaudio
Well-known member
Not like I havent stated even on this very forum that a McDonalds worker is WAY up the chain from an engineer
its a legitamate business
recording isnt, though it sometimes can be
its a legitamate business
recording isnt, though it sometimes can be
pipelineaudio said:
I take it you haven't read "Fastfood Nation" or watched "Supersize Me."
Pipeline, you act as if this sort of thing is limited only to audio. If anything, it's far more legit than most other fields. Take modeling, for instance. Sure, anyone can call themselves a model. But they all have headshots and portfolios. You look at their body of work, and if you like it, you hire them.
The same logic can apply to the photographer. If you think their photos suck, then hire someone else. What you see is what you get. Same applies to AE's. The work is out there for the world to listen to. In contrast, I don't have a freakin' clue what the hell I'm getting when I order a McChicken sandwich.