Thanks for the good info Kennedy, I did find the session drummer in Sonar and played around with it.... its really kinda cool. I have always worked with midi , am kinda new to wav's but they do sound very good. Its just that sometimes for me its easier to alter a pattern to get just what I want, and I'm not that good at cuttin up the wav's yet. Thanks for the post. And J I'm using a Soundblaster live card right now for my internal midi sounds. I still need to work with soundfonts some more and get a better grip on what all they will do. Thanks again all for the help, some of this stuff I don't think any one person could ever find. ya'll are great .