In a quandry...Roland, ADAT or Computer?

nyaben

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I've already got a Pentium II, 350 Mhz com with a 8 GB hard drive. I want to be able to make pro quality recordings and I don't have a lot of room to work with (and would like to economize as well).

The Roland unit sounds nice and compact (sounds like you can burn CDs easily with it).

ADAT...I'm not sure about. Can you send it to your computer easily?

Computer...I'll have to buy a mixer for preamps. Is it more of a hassle on the computer? Does it cramp your creativity? I know some of the cards you can get are 24-bit and Roland/ADAT are only 20-bit in most instances.

Would appreciate your advice...

Thanks
 
Hi. I've got a Roland 1680 which I use along with my computer. That seems to be a heavily favored way to go, but going with just a computer works great for many people as well. (I would rule out the ADAT, not worth the orice for only 8 tracks). The Roland machines are protable, and the effects are excellent. (Roland is 24 bit). I've been pretty impressed with the A/D converters. There software is constantly updated (updates are free). The drawback to Roland is that their pre-amps are a bit weak, and they only have 2 XLR inputs. Also,the Roland CD burner is not as good as some of the burners out now. Computers are nice cause you use a big moniter as opposed to the small Roland screens, and you can start small and build it up when you get the money. You also have more freedom to select exactly what software you want. My best advice is to go try them both out. Good Luck!
 
My recording system is on a PC. This is not a bad way to go. you can start of with a little gear and grow as your needs and talents demand. The good thing about PC recording is that you can have your effects on software, saving you a bundle by not having to buy out board gear. If I may, I suggest starting off with the Gina or new Darla card, Cubase or Cakewalk Pro, and the Alesis 12R.
 
I started off my digital recording "career" via the PC route mainly because it is more affordable if you already have a mixer and a decent computer. I really enjoy editing music on the PC because you have so many options and they are relativly easy to use. It can be a pain to get your computer and what ever program you choose set up right to start with, but there are plenty of web sites etc. to help you get started. I use Cakewalk Pro Audio and I really like like it a lot. If you like to sequence and use audio loops or even edit existing songs the PC is great.
Later I added the Roland (1680) and I have it synced up to my PC. I can control it from my PC along with the Cakewalk. This also lets me add in midi gear also. The Roland sounds great and the effects are awesome. Phrase editing, copying and pasteing etc. are much easier to do on the PC just for the fact that you can do most of it with the mouse. I use the Roland for more of the "live performance" type stuff like guitar solos, vocals, bass etc.
I also agree that the ADAT is not worth the price when you can get twice the tracks for the same money with the Roland. Plus, anytime you use tape there is a wear factor you have to consider. From what I hear those heads spin really fast and over time can wear out the tape.
Like some of the others have said, it just depends on what you want to do and how much you want to spend. You may want to set up your PC and build on it as you go.
By the way, Roland is coming out with a new model of the CD burner that is suposed to be better than the current one.
 
Roland is great as far as an all in one deal. The 1680 is by far the best of their deals. But I promise you will go blind staring at the mini screen they give you with all the blinking lines and what not. ADATs... good back up. I would put a buck on ADATS being out of the picture in a few more years. PCs are so much more flexible. You dream it you can do it on a PC. Multitrack edit, effects loops, TV size monitor screens. One good PC, a sweet interface (korg12/12 or MOTU2408) and maybe a fair to midland board and you are set up with the aid of good software.
 
Oh Boy! Being possibly the biggest ADAT fan on here, I am a bit dissapointed in the the response to using ADAT as a recording medium.

Let's start with some facts.

The ADAT converters have pretty much set the standard for digital audio. The nice thing about them is that what you here going on is what you hear coming off the tape. As far as these supposed 24 bit converters that other companies are advertising, well, it may surprise all of you that these are not linear 24 bit converters, but actually converters that are using some sort of compression scheme. That is a fact with all but the very highest priced 24 bit converters. The other fact being that 24 bit, 96khz sampling rate linear recording would take up some serious hard drive space. I am saying that you are not getting the real deal yet with 24/96. And if you are not getting the real deal, you are not getting as good as what a XT 20 has to offer.

Next. A 42 minute ADAT tape will cost you about $15. This gives you 3.4 GB of storage. They just don't make hard drives that cheap..... :) Also, you will be needing to backup those hard drives if you expect to work on very much music and want to keep what you have already done. Look at what backup mediums cost for computers. You will find that it is not all that cost effective. If tape wear is your concern, be advised that I have only has one ADAT tape fail me in over 3 years of recording with them. I have used over 100 of these tapes in that time. That equals about 350 GB of hard drive space. I always back up my tapes, so the one tape that failed didn't mess anything up. ADAT tapes are rated for well over 1000 passes on the tapes without any problems with dropouts. In reality, this is just the number the tape companies use to cover their ass. I have some tapes that have easily been played over 2000 times, and with absolutely no problems with data.

Next. Computers fail. In the case that you are using systems with Windows 95 or 98 (not much difference in the two if 95 has the service pack installed) you WILL at some point have a fatal crash that will require the reloading of the O/S. Chances are that when you do this, you are going to lose some files on your hard drive. So, you are going to need a backup system anyway, and ADAT is really the cheapest way to go for archieving.

Next. An ADAT will flawlessly play back 8 tracks of 20 bit, 48khz tracks at one time. You will need some very serious computer processing to achieve this. Not your average $800 system here.

Next. If you feel that maybe your music might be better served being mixed, or additional tracks added on in a more professional studio, this is very easy to do with ADAT. Almost every professional studio in the world has ADAT's. They are a fact of life in professional recording. If your music is stuck on your hard drive, you are going to have a harder time finding a studio that can support your project.

About the comment about ADAT's not being around in a few years. I wouldn't hold your breath on that idea. Tape based recording is not going anywhere for a long time. Computers have a long way to go before they can match the dependability of tape based recording. Also, the storage costs with tape are much cheaper. And with sound cards with ADAT interfaces coming down in price, it just makes sense that ADAT's are going to enjoy quite a long existence as a prominent recording medium.

I am not saying that ADAT is neccesarily a better choice for any induvidual. But what I am saying is that depending upon what your needs are, it may or may not be your best choice. There is pro's and con's to this format. What you really need to do is take a very hard look at what it is that you really need to do with your recordings. I run a professional studio without using a hard drive system for anything more than mastering the mixes for clients, and of course, track sheets.......LOL I would say that my average recordings with the original ADAT's come out much better than most any computer, or stand alone home recordings do. This is not bragging, just pointing out that having a bunch of editing power isn't going to make better music going to tape. Editing and automation can only enhance the performance that is already there. They do not make bad performances, or bad recording techniques any better.

If your goal is to just make some demos, well, just about any recording format will do the job. If you are looking to do professional music production, well, you need to look at what your potential needs are, and find a system that not only delivers those needs, but also lets you expand in the future. In the case of using ADAT's, there is probably no other digital reocording system in the world that makes expanding as easy.

Anyway, just look at what you really need. And compare that with your budget. This will dictate what you will buy. But be rest assured, any digital recording system is going to deliver great audio quality if the engineer using it knows what they are doing. Any benefits after that are just icing on the cake.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

Ed Rei
Echo Star Studio www.echostarstudio.com

[This message has been edited by sonusman (edited 09-22-1999).]
 
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