any suggestions...pro tools?

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YounQcass

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Allright heres there the scenario. Someone is buying some of my work, however he wants to record only on a pro tools setup. Now with the money im getting from this im thinking i could buy the digi 002 rack for 1200 right? keep in mind that i am recording strictly rap and R&B . Now ive heard pro tools projects and i admit some are more impressive than others. right now i use an M-audio nova mic, penta focusrite compressor,yamaha mg10/2 mixer,and lastly an m-audiophile 192 sound card...This gives me pretty good feedback but this artist doesnt want to work under these configurations anymore. Im looking for better and i am very lost. everyone is telling me to go head and "Just get the pro tools rack". Ive had the mbox(hated the box and couldnt care much for the software). i now use nuendo and love it! if anyone has any suggestions i have about 1000$ to work with.
i'd appreciate any feed back
Thanx
 
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alright....you're gonna get some flamed responses here pretty soon. so i'll get my two cents out of the way first.

first off, if you hated the mbox and didn't like the software...then why are you going with Pro Tools? Why does this guy absolutely HAVE to have pro tools? Is there something he's expecting out of it that you can't do with Nuendo?

Second, why the 002? Do you really need 18 inputs? You said you were doing R&B/rap....so i doubt you will. The truth is, your artist needs to learn to stop watching so many rap videos about how so-and-so uses Pro Tools so that's the only way he has to record! A good engineer will get the exact same sounding mix out of Pro Tools that he would get out of Nuendo, Cubase, Logic, DP, etc. The reason people choose certain programs is because they like certain features or how certain programs edit. Pro Tools was one of the first programs I learned, I know how to work it and it does what I need to....so I stick with it. I've tried other programs but never really liked the way things were layed out, probably 'cause I was so used to another program. But that doesn't mean the other programs couldn't do what I wanted them to do. Just because some guy says he loves driving Ford cars and that's all he'll ever drive...doesn't mean i'm going to run out and buy one.

This is just one of the reasons Pro Tools gets such a bad rap, is because people think that it's the must have program not knowing really what it or other programs do. It's a digital audio workstation...a place for you to do your work! that's it. The only reason some Pro Tools projects you've heard have sounded good, is because who ever recorded/mixed them were good at it.

Tell your client that if he wants to use Pro Tools then he needs to purchase it for you to use because most likely Nuendo will do the exact same thing for him. However, that all being said if you REALLY decide that you want Pro Tools and Nuendo just isn't cutting it, look at this: http://m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.filter&ID=protools

Just like any bigger recording studio, if the client comes in and says "We need to have ONLY a Les Paul guitar, a Manley Compressor, 3 neumann U87s and a Bosendorfer piano"....you can bet your ass the studio is not going to go out and buy those just for the one session. They will rent them from somewhere and bill them to the client.
 
Just to reiterate the point, Mbox and 002R use the SAME EXACT software. The difference is the hardware interface. I think Ben is right, unless you plan on recording drums and/or multiple instruments simultaneously, you're not really going to gain anything with the 002. FWIW I like the pre's better in the Mbox anyway.
 
YounQcass said:
Im looking for better and i am very lost. everyone is telling me to go head and "Just get the pro tools rack". Ive had the mbox(hated the box and couldnt care much for the software). i now use nuendo and love it! if anyone has any suggestions i have about 1000$ to work with.
i'd appreciate any feed back
Thanx
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If you are looking for a full-fledged ProTools system (the kind you might find in some professional recording studios), keep in mind that a basic Pro Tools|HD professional system starts at just under $10,000 USD. That's directly form the Digidesign site:

http://www.digidesign.com/products/hd/
 
well i think im gonna look into the tascam 1804...seems like the best decision for me right now...i would go with the 1884 but the control is very tempting and im not sure i can just purchase any old surface that would be compatible. Thanx i guess...the purpose of me puttin up this thread was to see what people recomended and some experiences but all i got was links to sites ive already been to...so that just made me dig harder thanks though
 
speak from experienc

Ok, I'm going to speak from LOTS of experience recording rap. If Hip Hop is mostly or all of what you do get pro tools. From a recording standpoint there's not much difference from Nuendo, but from a buisiness standpoint in the world of hip hop (especially from clients who only know what they've heard on records) Pro tools to them is RECORDING. It's an image thing brought on by the wonderful ad people at Digi. Personally I have a 002 rig and I like it but the only reason I have it is because it brings buisiness from people who are drawn by the words Pro Tools. But if I get a client who is more worried about how it sounds than using pro tools (dont' get me wrong pro tools is good)I've got my "backup rig" of Logic pro7 wired to 3 G5's recording at 192khz with TC Electronics plugins. If you get pro tools however most rappers are tricked into believing that Pro tools is God and they won't care how it sounds just as long as it's on pro tools.

P.S.- The only reason that I have the logic rig is because I ended up with a way more powerful rig than a pro tools HD system for about a 3rd of the cost.

Oakli
 
ImagoStudios said:
P.S.- The only reason that I have the logic rig is because I ended up with a way more powerful rig than a pro tools HD system for about a 3rd of the cost.
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While I realize your Logic system is powerful, I wouldn't say it's a "way more powerful rig than a pro tools HD system" without specifying how many Accel Cards in that system.

I have a ProTools HD4 system--4 Accel cards. I've clocked almost 200 plugins and over 100 audio tracks simultaneously and *STILL* had chips free. I highly doubt your Logic system could handle that kind of processor load.

While I admit the ProTools marketing hype does permeate the typical musician mindset that knows nothing of recording to the point of being irritating. It is wholly possible to create quality recordings on virtually *ANY* DAW platform these days (if you know what you are doing).
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
While I realize your Logic system is powerful, I wouldn't say it's a "way more powerful rig than a pro tools HD system" without specifying how many Accel Cards in that system.

I have a ProTools HD4 system--4 Accel cards. I've clocked almost 200 plugins and over 100 audio tracks simultaneously and *STILL* had chips free. I highly doubt your Logic system could handle that kind of processor load.

While I admit the ProTools marketing hype does permeate the typical musician mindset that knows nothing of recording to the point of being irritating. It is wholly possible to create quality recordings on virtually *ANY* DAW platform these days (if you know what you are doing).
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Starting by saying you're right about not specifying the number of cards for the PT system. For my argument that was a stupid thing to do...However $ for $ there's no comparison. I have accumulated the HD space and processing power to run a little more audio than you're giving the Logic system credit for. While I don't have accel cards I do have the ability to use all three of the dual processor G5's in my system to process the audio. Plus the fact that they all run on 8 gigs of ram and have 800gig firewire hard drives doesn't hurt either.(pieced together the whole system for under 9grand) This said my logic rig is not quite as powerful as your HD4 rig, but it's suprisingly close. I was in fact talking about the base HD system with one or two accel cards. with that said we are both on the same page about what matters on this thread. Any system can be made to perform the way you want it to if you have the talent to mix and the patience to learn the software...or hardware for that matter. My whole point was that the marketing my digi of PRO TOOLS is such that a person with little or no experience in recording would just be happy to be on that industry standard software besides the fact that you WILL get a great sound from pro tools IF you know what you are doing.
 
Just do what I'm going to do and get the M-Powered ProTools, I'm not sure if your interface is one of the "M-powered ProTools", but I've got the 1010 and an going to get ProTools just so I can say I've got ProTools, I'll still probably use Sonar to mix though
 
ImagoStudios said:
Starting by saying you're right about not specifying the number of cards for the PT system. For my argument that was a stupid thing to do...However $ for $ there's no comparison. I have accumulated the HD space and processing power to run a little more audio than you're giving the Logic system credit for. While I don't have accel cards I do have the ability to use all three of the dual processor G5's in my system to process the audio. Plus the fact that they all run on 8 gigs of ram and have 800gig firewire hard drives doesn't hurt either.(pieced together the whole system for under 9grand) This said my logic rig is not quite as powerful as your HD4 rig, but it's suprisingly close. I was in fact talking about the base HD system with one or two accel cards. with that said we are both on the same page about what matters on this thread. Any system can be made to perform the way you want it to if you have the talent to mix and the patience to learn the software...or hardware for that matter. My whole point was that the marketing my digi of PRO TOOLS is such that a person with little or no experience in recording would just be happy to be on that industry standard software besides the fact that you WILL get a great sound from pro tools IF you know what you are doing.
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If it were my choice between 3 G5 macs, 8 gig of ram and several 800 gig hard drives.....verses ONE computer with a single Pro Tools HD system that will handle all my processing for me and still allow me to run my computer with now strain on CPU power (you know, so that my porn can download quicker ;) )....I think I may choose the HD rig. I would think the hassle of synchronization and upkeep of 3 G5s just wouldn't be worth it.
That, and you also never said what audio interface you're running? How many simultaneous I/Os are you able to get with that system?
 
the syncronization is nothing and the power of the system would suprise you. The three G5s are there not only for the audio I have other uses, but with the logic node feature I am able to include them all in the same system with ease. I have 2 HD192s and a 24IO added so that's 48 direct ins. I do alot of scoring for surround video and use alot of Orchestral groups, so that many inputs is handy.
 
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