how can this guy's budget setup sound so good?

What do you know...It's a yamaha. :eek:

Should have trusted my ears!

LOL - I've only just listened to the clip the OP posted... so not a real piano...

And a bit too much sustain pedal, I reckon.. :laughings:

Not to mention that he's got a "Leadership" motivational poster in the vid arcaxis posted. BURN HIM! :spank:
 
First and foremost, that video is not live, he's lip-syncing.

When did this become a thing? That people shoot basic music videos but try their darndest to make it look like a live recording?

That always annoys me. If you're going to film yourself recording, just film yourself recording.
 
When did this become a thing? That people shoot basic music videos but try their darndest to make it look like a live recording?

That always annoys me. If you're going to film yourself recording, just film yourself recording.

I don't know. Amazingly though, some people fall for it.
 
When did this become a thing? That people shoot basic music videos but try their darndest to make it look like a live recording?

That always annoys me. If you're going to film yourself recording, just film yourself recording.

Cause the real recording is boring as hell, with a lot of "oh S**t" or, let's do this over, it ain't pretty. :eek:
 
To do a proper job on a grand, you want a pair of sdc's in some form of stereo pattern under the hood and a boundary on the floor. To get a really great sound, you'd spend upwards of $5000 on the set. LDC's work, but don't do justice, and of course a $75 mike is not going to be great to begin with. A single cardioid pattern will be very difficult if you want great sound under the hood of a piano. Then again, when I was playing that game, I was playing 8 and 9 foot Steinways and Yamahas and a very sweet Kawai.
Truly, for the buck, a nice digital is going to give you great sound (and some will even present the "feel" of your grand). I'm currently playing through a Kawai CE220 which is very, very pleasant both to the fingers and the ears.
 
I just realized how easy it is to tell that he was "lip syncing" it (and likely not recording any actual piano for this, as someone previously noted).

The most noticeable part I found was at 1:54ish in the original video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5JSldncbiA), you can CLEARLY hear him playing the low end of the keys, whereas in the video, he just stops playing and then crossfades it into another clip. xD

OOPS.
 
I was curious to see what the hub ub was about re 'recording the piano. The clue' was in around 1:20 or so. The low end on the left hand? I went 'whoa rewind. That's not acoustic.
 
Pianoteq can be tried for free (2 missing notes and it stops after 20mins) and you can "play" it with a mouse to get an idea of the sound quality. My son is a fussy B over piano tone but he liked it so I bought the basic one. Modartt are nice people to deal with as well.

And yes, FCS forget about USB mixers or mics. Buy a Steinberg UR22. Good interface but better, it comes with Cubase and there is no better software IM (and many others)HO for MIDI work.

For mics I would go for a pair of SDCapacitors but like many in this thread, I have never had the opportunity to record a jo'!

Dave.
 
I really cannot believe you are taking this so seriously. A video is a video! He didn't say here is a video of me singing live, playing the piano - it's a nice video of a nice song that sound pretty good. It's like claiming that your final after all the faffing around was done direct to stereo. I suspect the mics were simply put in the viewfinder as eye candy. You cannot dissect a recording from a lip-sync video, so whatever mics you see are pointless to the audio product as heard.

A few corrections. Although you can alter MIDI velocity in the editor, your brain would explode from trying to do this from mouse or step entered sequencing. The facts are that by listening we know he is a sympathetic pianist rather than a precise one - in the track you can clearly hear octave left hands but in the video he rarely does it with the force the recording shows - his left hand is busy, but different to the video, and sometimes his right hand is playing close chords that you cannot hear, so it may or may not be the piano we are hearing.

I make a reasonable chunk of my income from recording pianos- specialist music and to be honest a bit boring, but the classical pianist I work with has a Yamaha C series in his home - but it took a lot of effort to make it sound nice in the quite boxy, hard walled room - so much so that the sessions were very long, and errors increased. I ended up using a combination of close miking plus a stereo mic in the curve. I've got a couple of VSTi pianos and one is the piantoteq. This actually responds well to clever pedaling - half pedals and pedal twiddling actually work. The extra pianos are also well worth getting. In the end we found a very realistic program, that worked for us, and we moved away from recording his real piano altogether. He records on a quality 88 note weighted keyboard that is close to what he feels is right, but the benefit is that I can simply repair the odd duff note in a long piece, and even steal little bits from other places. Sure, it's cheating, but so what? One or two of the CDs have a mix of recording methods, and although I know which is which when I look it up, they don't stand out.

What I do know is that just because you have a nice piano available, it doesn't guarantee a good recording, no matter what mics you have available. The key, as ever, is experiment. No two pianos are identical. I do not subscribe to any notion of X mic is always rubbish, while Y is always good. I'd happily record with a Samson, if it worked for me. I really don't care what the price is - it's unimportant, the sound is paramount. Far, far too much snob value on mics - the only thing I ever avoid are USB mics - a few sound ok and have gain controls, but the problem is that few recording systems can record from two digital sources at the same time, so you have to mess around with system settings and I hate that.

I don't use audacity myself, although I do have it on the computers, and use Cubase 8 and Sony Sound Forge by choice for recording and editing - I have adobe Audition with the rest of the pay monthly package but don't like it much - however I have never found any of them sound different from the others. It records and manipulates digits - all my digital recorders that come after the A/D sound the same, and I've never even considered Audacity to be flawed in this way - no idea where this came from? Audacity was, as far as I know, designed to be a pretty complex audio recorder and editor. I've not discovered any audio anomalies - perhaps I will go and have a play?

The guy who made the video, assuming it's the same person who sang and played did a damn good job - but please, let's not over analyse the video.
 
I really cannot believe you are taking this so seriously.
:laughings: :laughings: :laughings:

A video is a video! He didn't say here is a video of me singing live, playing the piano - it's a nice video of a nice song that sound pretty good. It's like claiming that your final after all the faffing around was done direct to stereo. I suspect the mics were simply put in the viewfinder as eye candy. You cannot dissect a recording from a lip-sync video, so whatever mics you see are pointless to the audio product as heard.

A few corrections. Although you can alter MIDI velocity in the editor, your brain would explode from trying to do this from mouse or step entered sequencing. The facts are that by listening we know he is a sympathetic pianist rather than a precise one - in the track you can clearly hear octave left hands but in the video he rarely does it with the force the recording shows - his left hand is busy, but different to the video, and sometimes his right hand is playing close chords that you cannot hear, so it may or may not be the piano we are hearing.

I make a reasonable chunk of my income from recording pianos- specialist music and to be honest a bit boring, but the classical pianist I work with has a Yamaha C series in his home - but it took a lot of effort to make it sound nice in the quite boxy, hard walled room - so much so that the sessions were very long, and errors increased. I ended up using a combination of close miking plus a stereo mic in the curve. I've got a couple of VSTi pianos and one is the piantoteq. This actually responds well to clever pedaling - half pedals and pedal twiddling actually work. The extra pianos are also well worth getting. In the end we found a very realistic program, that worked for us, and we moved away from recording his real piano altogether. He records on a quality 88 note weighted keyboard that is close to what he feels is right, but the benefit is that I can simply repair the odd duff note in a long piece, and even steal little bits from other places. Sure, it's cheating, but so what? One or two of the CDs have a mix of recording methods, and although I know which is which when I look it up, they don't stand out.

What I do know is that just because you have a nice piano available, it doesn't guarantee a good recording, no matter what mics you have available. The key, as ever, is experiment. No two pianos are identical. I do not subscribe to any notion of X mic is always rubbish, while Y is always good. I'd happily record with a Samson, if it worked for me. I really don't care what the price is - it's unimportant, the sound is paramount. Far, far too much snob value on mics - the only thing I ever avoid are USB mics - a few sound ok and have gain controls, but the problem is that few recording systems can record from two digital sources at the same time, so you have to mess around with system settings and I hate that.

I don't use audacity myself, although I do have it on the computers, and use Cubase 8 and Sony Sound Forge by choice for recording and editing - I have adobe Audition with the rest of the pay monthly package but don't like it much - however I have never found any of them sound different from the others. It records and manipulates digits - all my digital recorders that come after the A/D sound the same, and I've never even considered Audacity to be flawed in this way - no idea where this came from? Audacity was, as far as I know, designed to be a pretty complex audio recorder and editor. I've not discovered any audio anomalies - perhaps I will go and have a play?

The guy who made the video, assuming it's the same person who sang and played did a damn good job - but please, let's not over analyse the video.
Yeah, good thing you're not taking it too seriously. :laughings:
 
Interesting -
1st basic position. If it's a Youtube vid it's usually not live or real.
2nd basic position. If there are instruments and voice heard but not seen it's usually not live or real.
3rd basic position. Pianos are hard to record & in someone's living or sitting room at home even harder so if it sounds great it's usually not live or real.
 
I really cannot believe you are taking this so seriously.

Who is? An aspiring recordist wants to know why that video sounds so good, in his opinion.
He could have wasted a lot of time and money trying to imitate something that isn't real.

The guy who made the video, assuming it's the same person who sang and played did a damn good job - but please, let's not over analyse the video.

Why not? We're all hear to learn.
 
Who is? An aspiring recordist wants to know why that video sounds so good, in his opinion.
He could have wasted a lot of time and money trying to imitate something that isn't real.



Why not? We're all hear to learn.

I kind of agree as well.

Lots of people come here to learn and ask questions. Might be over the top, but it is not much different than when we pick a Beatles tune apart for the 1000th time.
 
I kind of agree as well.

Lots of people come here to learn and ask questions. Might be over the top, but it is not much different than when we pick a Beatles tune apart for the 1000th time.

I thought the spirit of this forum was to ask questions and learn. My grandfather told me the only dumb question was one not asked. Show me a person that knows everything and I will show you a fool. so if you ask a question about something you do not know and want to learn about, and someone makes a wise ass comment, yeah, that really encourages them to ask another one. :thumbs up:
 
I thought the spirit of this forum was to ask questions and learn. My grandfather told me the only dumb question was one not asked. Show me a person that knows everything and I will show you a fool. so if you ask a question about something you do not know and want to learn about, and someone makes a wise ass comment, yeah, that really encourages them to ask another one. :thumbs up:

It is. And most of us will go out of our way to help in any way we can.

But...

We all also have a different senses of humor and personal opinions, so try not to take things so literally or personal.

'Get off my lawn' grouchy pants! lol!

:D

Oh, and if someone is so 'thin skinned' that they can't understand or take another persons personal opinion, then they have other issues that this forum is not going to help them with.

Just sayin...
 
Whilst I agree that we should all moderate our instinct to the snappy putdown there are limits and sometimes peeps need a bit of (or a bloody good!) shake!

If a thread is "progressive", "Yes, understand that now but how does "this" work" and the poster is obviously gaining information, fine. But quite often they want to know the "best...AI,mic, monitor, DAW" and all for $150! After a few suggestions they KEEP coming back! "What about the 987XXX or the ng414?" At some point you have to say....FFS! Buy an interface,..ANY interface and almost any microphone and have a bloody go!

Even the Behringer C1 and a Xenyx USB mixer is better than Dolby B cassette! (that is not a reccy BTW noobs!)

So yes. Politeness costs nothing but as I say, there ARE limits!

Dave.
 
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