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    Question Need help with ripping vocals

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    Hey I have cool edit pro 2.0 and dont know if i can rip the vocals off a track to leave the instrumental or vice verse to leave the vocals, Preferably to leave the vocals so i can use them. If anyone can help me i would appreciate it. Thanks

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    Basically, unless you can isolate the frequency range on which the vocals reside, you're screwed.

    If you can isolate that range, you can sweep the other frequencies clean, and leave the vocals or vice versa... however, in doing so... it's not going to be very "clear". Digital bubbles are a pain.

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    I don't know whether there is a standard answer somewhere on this forum to this standard question, but elsewhere the standard answer is as follows:-

    " Is it possible to remove vocals from an existing track?

    Well, the short answer is...Yes...and No. The simple reason for these opposite responses is that the process of 'vocal cutting' or 'vocal zapping' (as some say in radio) is a process that's been around for ages, known in many record engineering circles as "A minus B listening". Here's how it's done.

    The tip: If you're using a track from the 60s, 70s or even early 80s, you've probably got a decent shot of removing vocals. Paul McCartney's "Maybe I'm Amazed" (1970), Astrud Gilberto's "Light My Fire" (1969), even Donald F.a.gen's "I.G.Y". and "Walk Between Raindrops" (1982) are four good examples to try out. But it's all to do with structure....

    To do this in Adobe Audition's Edit View, simply highlight your file and go to Effect> Amplitude > Channel Mixer and select the VOCAL CUT preset. You can preview and toggle between NO MIXING and VOCAL CUT to hear what's happening. You can also alter the phase relationship between the L&R channels by dragging the sliders.

    So what's happening?

    1 - You're taking a stereo file

    2 - Then inverting the phase of one channel

    3 - Then add the two channels together

    That's it - that's all you've done. Now what's the result?

    1 - Anything that was centre stage (hopefully, in this case, the vocal) will be cancelled out.

    2 - This includes the bass, kick drum and anything else that was also centre stage.

    3 - Material which is close, but not, centre stage will also reduce in level.

    4 - The end file will be mono.

    5 - On most modern recordings, FX returns are stereo or pseudo-stereo. Thus all the FX returns on the vocal will still be heard.

    The truth of the matter is that you can, perhaps, on some recordings, reduce the vocal level. Whether or not you can reduce it enough is only discovered by trying it out. You will still have to contend with the problems of other instruments which also vanish, the generally reduced bass level and the FX returns.

    Now, because your resultant wave can sometimes suffer from center-channel dropouts of things like bass guitar and bass drum, here's something else that you can do 'after' you've run the vocal cut (ala, center-channel cut) preset on a file...

    (this tip is easiest to achieve in multitrack, but could also be done with Mix Paste)

    After using the Vocal Cut preset on your file, save it (with a new name) and hit Ctrl-M to insert the file into Multitrack.

    Open the original file (pre-vocal cut) and run a low-pass filter on it so that ONLY frequencies below 200Hz pass thru (effectively cutting everything above 200Hz). This will leave you with a stereo waveform that has possibly 'some' vocal element, but will primarily carry the bass and bass frequencies.

    Now, insert the 'low-pass' file into MT, aligning it with the vocal-cut version. Play with the volumes to achieve a proper balance. This will allow you to restore a bit of the stereo image (if needed) as well as improve some of the low-end response (if it suffered to begin with)...

    You could also try a stereo simulator. This usually consists of adding a small delay and mixing this with one of the two mono outputs. The same delay signal is inverted and mixed with the other mono channel (so if the two channels are ever combined, you once again get compatible mono).

    A full explanation the limitations of vocal reduction techniques can be found at
    http://www.ethanwiner.com/novocals.html - this is essential reading!

    If you really want more information, you can use a search engine like google to find thousands more pages of relevant information, including many software products and services such as (at the time of writing, 1992?)

    http://www.yogen.com/ ($15 s/w product)
    http://www.mtu.com/ ($54.95 s/w product)
    http://www.pgmusic.com/ - "Copyscat" ($49 s/w product)
    http://www.tracertek.com/dart_karaoke.htm ($39 s/w product)
    http://www.vocalreduction.com/ (service. $19.95 per song)
    http://www.csp-audio.com/vocalremoval.htm (service. Typically $45 per song)
    http://www.analogx.com/contents/down...o/vremover.htm (free DX plugin)


    As for removing the instruments and keeping the vocals, this cannot be done - if you try to isolate the centre of the stereo image, where the vocal is usually found, you will still have any other sound that was in the centre, plus half of what was left or right of the centre. You can try this using (for instance) the Audition 'Channel Mixer', first applying the 'LR to Mid Side' preset to your file, then using the 'Both=Left' preset on the result.

    Finally, if you want to use Audition just for removing vocals, that's up to you of course; but there is so much more it can do, and maybe so much more you can do - why not also try using it to produce your own original and creative work?"
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    Having said all that (are you awake in the back?) it should be noted that Audition 1.5 rewrote the above rules by introducing a Centre Channel Extractor effect which can extract just the vocal from a file, or take it out leaving only the backing, while preserving the stereo image. You could try the trial download to see how well it works on the material you have in mind.

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    I have Audition 1.5, and believe me, it doesn't work.

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    Total success with the AA1.4 CCE does depend still on the material (the factor of stereo reverb still applies - that will still be heard if you remove the voice itself), but it's more useful for "serious" purposes for making balance adjustments to stereo files which hitherto would have been impossible. I've recently much improved a stereo recording of oboe with orchestra where the oboe was a bit down in the balance - the centre channel extractor in its "boost vocal by 6dB" mode quite transformed it. It was rather like having a spot mic where no spot mic had originally been used.

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    I haven't used it at all to boost the center channel vocal range... that's a tad interesting. I suppose I'll play with it some more.

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    man I've heard this shit asked and answered so many times....


    its fuckin impossible....enough said.....obviously its very possible to bring out the vocals more by cutting everything else...but ur not totally successful ever, so its not the same deal...

    but straight up if theres two things sharing a frequency ur not gonna be able to get rid of one of them

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    actually..its possible but only if the vocal is directly in the middle also known as pan. Not all vocals are recorded that way. But if you do actually manage to take it out...the things recorded in pan along with the vocals are also taken out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Change of POETS
    I have Audition 1.5, and believe me, it doesn't work.
    I have used the vocal remove feature several times in Audition 1.5 and ended up with satisfactory results.

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    Well, it can be done, but it sounds like poop most of the time. You'll definately notice an overall quality decline whenever you do this little trick, it's almost better to just try and record the song yourself ... just learn all the little bits that you need to and record them. It may not sound really professional, but it's much better than the noisy artifacts that vocal removing tends to leave behind.

    Eric

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