Very Basic PreAmp question...

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I'm somewhat new to recording vocals, (been doing mostly instrumental stuff)....

Do all vocals NEED to go through a pre amp? How does a mixer or multi-track recorder act as a pre amp? and What will a pre-amp do for/to your vocal recording?

I guess I need a preamp basic lesson!

Thanks in advance
 
Preamps

Most devices (recorders, compressors, EQs, etc.) expect to receive a line-level signal. Microphones put out a much lower level signal. The signal that the microphone puts out must be amplified to line level. That's what a microphone pre-amp does.

Many types of equipment which, in typical use, will have microphones plugged into them come with microphone preamps built in. Mixers (recording or PA) usually have a mic preamp for every channel. Old reel-to-reel tape decks usually had two microphone preamps in them. A lot of portable recorders (reel-to-reel, cassette, minidisk, DAT) have one or two mic preamps in them. Some soundcards have mic preamps. Multi-track recorders, on the other hand often do not have mic preamps built in, on the assumption that you're using a recording console.

For most of the history of microphones and recording, people used whatever mic preamps were built into the bigger machine they were using. Hobbyists recording things around the house used the modest-quality microphone preamps built into their tape decks. Fancy recording studios used the higher-quality mic preamps built into their recording consoles.

More recently, recording studios started using "outboard" mic preamps -- i.e. separately-boxed preamps bought on their own, rather than as part of something else. I can't say I know why this started. Some say it happened when recording consoles stopped being custom-built and became standard mass-produced items equipped with crappy mic preamps ("crappy" here being a technical term meaning whatever the person saying it thinks it means). Or it may have to do with the rising worship of all things "vintage."

Anyway, it has trickled down to the home recordist, and now, just as the owner of a $15,000 console needs to have a $5,000 outboard mic preamp, the owner of a $450 console needs to have a $150 outboard mic preamp.

[Just to avoid misunderstanding: the last paragraph should be read in a mildly ironic, but not sarcastic, tone]
 
thanks....

sjjohnston---

thanks for the info. that clears things up very nicely. I am using a Yamaha MD8 mini disc, and I am fairly sure it has built in pre-amps. The real question, now, like you mentioned, is to see if they are any good.

I'm assuming it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a pre-amp for any multi-purpose vocal recording in the future?

just when you think you've spent all you can on audio equipment!!! :-(
 
As someone who builds and sells and uses high buck preamps, let me tell you this, get a good mic.

It, the tune and production values, makes way more difference than any preamp will ever make to your recording.

Learn the tools you have and more importantly the techniques before you fall into the gear lust trap. If you are serious about this business you will realize that real tools cost a fair amount of money, but they will be with you forever. The cheap stuff you buy as you are learn this will be in your garage sale.
 
Now how do we Know you just aint one of those dudes that hates mic pres.;)

For us who do own a few pres. I can say that they dont hurt matters much. Digital recording does need some warming to keep it from sounding harsh. I am a fan of using tubes on instuments that tend to sound harsh, and quiet solid state ones on stuff that sound right to me.

As far as the mics are concerned there are some really affordable gems out there right now so thats a great place to improve now. then go out and buy one of those Great River NV models with whats left over from selling your good Kidney.:D

wayne

P.S. Dan I hope you have a sense of humor.
 
I had a good kidney once.......................ONCE........
 
I Xeroxed a secretary's but once.......................ONCE.........
 
Welcome aboard Dan -- a great pleasure to see you here!

:)

Bruce
 
Er what? hiccup...somebody said something about a kidney?

Might need one, don't know, better look in the junk box.

Spent the night grinding up old fibreglass on the floor of my trusty crusty old 1976 speedboat. Putting in a new deck, replacing the exhaust manifolds and consuming some adult beverages as I do it.

I'm really serious about the fact that it takes more time on the tune than money on the gear. It's a real hard lesson that most home recordists never click on.

I was driven by a form of gear lust for a long time, which was having the technical chops to actually improve the equipment I was using, but not having the same level of chops while using it.

This in no way says that cheap crap will do the job, but that in fact you can and probably will make good music in a low rent situation. Then as your knowledge improves, so does your desire to have better tools. But it's not quite the same as gear lust.

If I had Milwaukee tools tonight my job wouldn't have been done any better, not because of the grinder, but the grindee. Still like that red box though.

If I was doing it commercially though I can think of any number of reasons to have the big red than the Black & Decker unit I used tonight, and will probably put away until 2004.
 
Dan,what you say always makes a lot of sense.Now if I can just put away that credit card!I think that there is probably a minimum level of gear needed to get decent results(decent being relative to one's goals)but it seems that when I hit that projected minimum I can't stop there.I have a very modest home studio but even though it is modest there is no way I could say that I have reached the potentual of my tools.Someone with more experience and expertise could easily make a recording with my gear that would blow away anything that I am capable of producing.Not that I stink big time it's just that my gear has a lot more potentual than I am capable of taking advantage of at this point.

I do see a RNC in my future though.Right now I mostly use software compression but the RNC seems to be one of those rare products that everyone agrees on.After the RNC though it is time for me to stop the bleeding and to start learning to push the gear I do own.

I would like to buy one of your pres someday but right now I have to learn my gear to it's fullest potentual as I know that knowledge is going to make a bigger improvement to my sound than another piece of gear would.I appreciate the fact that you put personal salesmanship aside and speak the truth about gear purchases.

Enjoy your boat and your beer,I don't drink anymore but you can have mine.Shit,I'd buy you a beer for the excellent advice you gave!
 
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