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Mick Doobie

Resist We Much
See, you went and muddied it up again for me. What "historian" are you even talking about? Actually, it doesn't matter. Totally irrelevant. Part of Putin's justification to invade Ukraine is to "de-Nazi" the country. It sounds like you think that's a good idea. If so, shouldn't he invade the US to de-Nazify us? Makes sense by your rationale.

Yeah, I did look back after posting and, although I put in quite a lot of information to illustrate a point, I unintentionally left out some information which might have made that point more clear. Fair enough, muddled it a bit. I did anticipate "you think that is a good idea" response(s).

Wasn't my point, or thinking out loud observation, which didn't matter. The observation was that, although Ukraine actually has incorporated actual white supremacists and Nazi types into its military, and actually has aligned politicians within its government, the (propaganda) memo, talking point or what have you is out......the US is chocked full of white supremacists and KKK types who are a larger threat! In fact the historian in question makes the statement that...

"Neo-Nazi, far right and xenophobic groups do exist in Ukraine, like pretty much any other country, including Russia. They are vocal and can be prone to violence but are numerically small, marginal and their political influence at the state level is non-existent. But I would consider the KKK in the US and skinheads and neo-Nazi groups in Russia a much bigger problem and threat than the Ukrainian far right."

..which is a distortion, a falsity, a lie. Keep in mind that the material I quoted comes from a "fact checker" website. The fact of the matter is, the KKK is here in the US is absolutely small in number(if not nearly non-existent), thoroughly and absolutely marginalized, and their political influence at the state level is completely non-existent. In Ukraine?....there are is at minimum one military unit in its military made up entirely of neo-Nazi xenophobic types who are being armed to the teeth by the international effort to defeat Russia's aggression. There are Ukraine politicians serving in Ukraine's government who are aligned with those types. How do we know this? In part we know this because human rights type groups have been monitoring the situation and sounding the alarm of findings. Well, they were. Now? Well now those facts are deemed false information used by the right here in the US to defend their friend Putin....you know, Orange Man Bad's friend. See IBB's post(s), he spouting the same bullshit. All illustrative of the bullshit coming from the left and propped up by "fact checkers". Fact checkers I might add that are utilized, tools to shut down "disinformation" and support the desired narrative. But you know, just like "science", reliable information and facts can often change, as more "facts" are gathered. See the desired narrative.

I should also mention, and to your point, if the US is lumped in with Russia as a "threat", given all the KKK running rampant and not marginalized, and not non-existent within governmental influence, is the international community up to the task of responding to that threat? Should they not? I mean seriously, if Trump runs again, and wtf?, wins.....perhaps that is the tipping point and something got to be done? The left insanity....."nuke us, it's the only way to stop the Orange Man Bad!"

Anyway, just an observation, somewhat humorous. Pardon the long post, hopefully didn't further muddle my intended point. Hope all is well and life is treating you good.
 
Yeah, I did look back after posting and, although I put in quite a lot of information to illustrate a point, I unintentionally left out some information which might have made that point more clear. Fair enough, muddled it a bit. I did anticipate "you think that is a good idea" response(s).

Wasn't my point, or thinking out loud observation, which didn't matter. The observation was that, although Ukraine actually has incorporated actual white supremacists and Nazi types into its military, and actually has aligned politicians within its government, the (propaganda) memo, talking point or what have you is out......the US is chocked full of white supremacists and KKK types who are a larger threat! In fact the historian in question makes the statement that...

"Neo-Nazi, far right and xenophobic groups do exist in Ukraine, like pretty much any other country, including Russia. They are vocal and can be prone to violence but are numerically small, marginal and their political influence at the state level is non-existent. But I would consider the KKK in the US and skinheads and neo-Nazi groups in Russia a much bigger problem and threat than the Ukrainian far right."

..which is a distortion, a falsity, a lie. Keep in mind that the material I quoted comes from a "fact checker" website. The fact of the matter is, the KKK is here in the US is absolutely small in number(if not nearly non-existent), thoroughly and absolutely marginalized, and their political influence at the state level is completely non-existent. In Ukraine?....there are is at minimum one military unit in its military made up entirely of neo-Nazi xenophobic types who are being armed to the teeth by the international effort to defeat Russia's aggression. There are Ukraine politicians serving in Ukraine's government who are aligned with those types. How do we know this? In part we know this because human rights type groups have been monitoring the situation and sounding the alarm of findings. Well, they were. Now? Well now those facts are deemed false information used by the right here in the US to defend their friend Putin....you know, Orange Man Bad's friend. See IBB's post(s), he spouting the same bullshit. All illustrative of the bullshit coming from the left and propped up by "fact checkers". Fact checkers I might add that are utilized, tools to shut down "disinformation" and support the desired narrative. But you know, just like "science", reliable information and facts can often change, as more "facts" are gathered. See the desired narrative.

I should also mention, and to your point, if the US is lumped in with Russia as a "threat", given all the KKK running rampant and not marginalized, and not non-existent within governmental influence, is the international community up to the task of responding to that threat? Should they not? I mean seriously, if Trump runs again, and wtf?, wins.....perhaps that is the tipping point and something got to be done? The left insanity....."nuke us, it's the only way to stop the Orange Man Bad!"

Anyway, just an observation, somewhat humorous. Pardon the long post, hopefully didn't further muddle my intended point. Hope all is well and life is treating you good.
All good on my end, brother. I hope you are as well.

Neo Nazis will exist in all or most countries. It's an ideology that will never be eliminated. Russia's justification for invading Ukraine based on that is fucking silly. That isn't why they are there. Comparing us to Ukraine or anything else is pointless. This thread is about the war in Ukraine, and specifically Russia invading that country. They need to be stopped. IN MY OPINION. Because they aren't going to stop at Ukraine.
 

Ed Fones

Well-known member
No. Sorry. You started that off with an inaccurate statement. I don't care what they called themselves. That was not a socialist platform.
In 2022 maybe not ticking all the 2022 boxes. But this was 100 years ago and that was all you were getting. So socialist they were, of the times.
 
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Mick Doobie

Resist We Much
All good on my end, brother. I hope you are as well.

Neo Nazis will exist in all or most countries. It's an ideology that will never be eliminated. Russia's justification for invading Ukraine based on that is fucking silly. That isn't why they are there. Comparing us to Ukraine or anything else is pointless. This thread is about the war in Ukraine, and specifically Russia invading that country. They need to be stopped. IN MY OPINION. Because they aren't going to stop at Ukraine.

Truthfully I don't know an incredible amount about it. But from I gather separatists in Ukraine who are ethnically more aligned with Russia and who have a desire to be part of Russia have been held somewhat in check by units consisting of neo-Nazi type groups prior to the current conflict. The Ukraine government was okay with that...armed them, supported them in the effort. There are videos of those Ukrainian units smearing pigs blood of ammunition to kill Muslims fighting with the Russians. Sounds kind of "racist", xenophobic,....if our military was doing such things in past conflicts the optics would be viewed along those lines. Perhaps if not for the separatist conflict the Ukraine gov't would not have been okay with having those types incorporated into its military. I reckon it is what it is and you got to do what you got to do. Complicated. If Ukraine separatists consider themselves Russian, and the Russian government considers them Russian, and they are in an armed conflict with Nazis armed and supported within Ukraine's military....is it an entirely false paradigm if Putin says Russia is fighting to de-Nazify Ukraine?

Don't get me wrong, i'm not justifying anything, or making excuses in support of Russian aggression. To say it is a really fucked up situation would be an understatement. But maybe that is in part what Russia is talking about, fighting Nazis. Maybe Putin is vastly overstating the problem. Maybe it is a real problem, though still overstated as a justification. It is hard for us to say within absolute certainty. We only know what is being reported as fact.......and with the "fact checkers" who I have attempted to expose as being full of shit...??

What can be learned from it...question everything, especially narratives from those who vehemently hold themselves up as exclusive conduits to the truth. One cannot help but to consider there is often an agenda in play. "He doth protest too much[/i] suspicions arise. Or should arise.

The Trump and Putin are best buds narrative has been in play for some time now. If there was not a chance that Trump would once again run for office perhaps diplomatic relations with Russia would have cooled by now, which may have prevented the current conflict. But taking a stab at it, it's almost like for some time now some have been banging the drums of war/conflict to support an agenda, the conflict would be an asset to achieving a goal. They wanted that shit to happen. Normally to prevent such conflicts you engage in diplomacy, that is not what we saw happen. Either it is incompetence, or something else.
 
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Mick Doobie

Resist We Much
^^sheesh, a bit of a mess there. Hopefully it is somewhat understandable, I can't be bothered to edit the typos and whatnot.
 
Truthfully I don't know an incredible amount about it. But from I gather separatists in Ukraine who are ethnically more aligned with Russia and who have a desire to be part of Russia have been held somewhat in check by units consisting of neo-Nazi type groups prior to the current conflict. The Ukraine government was okay with that...armed them, supported them in the effort. There are videos of those Ukrainian units smearing pigs blood of ammunition to kill Muslims fighting with the Russians. Sounds kind of "racist", xenophobic,....if our military was doing such things in past conflicts the optics would be viewed along those lines. Perhaps if not for the separatist conflict the Ukraine gov't would not have been okay with having those types incorporated into its military. I reckon it is what it is and you got to do what you got to do. Complicated. If Ukraine separatists consider themselves Russian, and the Russian government considers them Russian, and they are in an armed conflict with Nazis armed and supported within Ukraine's military....is it an entirely false paradigm if Putin says Russia is fighting to de-Nazify Ukraine?

Don't get me wrong, i'm not justifying anything, or making excuses in support of Russian aggression. To say it is a really fucked up situation would be an understatement. But maybe that is in part what Russia is talking about, fighting Nazis. Maybe Putin is vastly overstating the problem. Maybe it is a real problem, though still overstated as a justification. It is hard for us to say within absolute certainty. We only know what is being reported as fact.......and with the "fact checkers" who I have attempted to expose as being full of shit...??

What can be learned from it...question everything, especially narratives from those who vehemently hold themselves up as exclusive conduits to the truth. One cannot help but to consider there is often an agenda in play. "He doth protest too much[/i] suspicions arise. Or should arise.

The Trump and Putin are best buds narrative has been in play for some time now. If there was not a chance that Trump would once again run for office perhaps diplomatic relations with Russia would have cooled by now, which may have prevented the current conflict. But taking a stab at it, it's almost like for some time now some have been banging the drums of war/conflict to support an agenda, the conflict would be an asset to achieving a goal. They wanted that shit to happen. Normally to prevent such conflicts you engage in diplomacy, that is not what we saw happen. Either it is incompetence, or something else.
This is still about Russia invading Ukraine. Because Russia invaded Ukraine. There are actually Russian soldiers in Ukraine right now and there are Ukrainian soldiers trying to defend their country. Today. If Russia pulled the troops out of Ukraine there would be no war in Ukraine.
 

LazerBeakShiek

AKA Optimus Prime LEGO Vampire
This is still about Russia invading Ukraine. Because Russia invaded Ukraine.
It has morphed as the conflict evolved. First, will they invade. Then, will they take Ukraine. Then, will they Nuke Everyone. 'Will it happen'.

Its an ongoing thing.
 

Mick Doobie

Resist We Much
This is still about Russia invading Ukraine. Because Russia invaded Ukraine. There are actually Russian soldiers in Ukraine right now and there are Ukrainian soldiers trying to defend their country. Today. If Russia pulled the troops out of Ukraine there would be no war in Ukraine.

Maybe. Probably maybe. But as I have talked about in my posts, there was a conflict going on before Russia invaded. If Russia pulls out, right or wrong, there still might or likely will still be a conflict between the Ukrainian military and Ukrainian separatists. Who are we to pick a side there, yeah? Well, except to say there are xenophobic white supremacist Nazis in the Ukraine military fighting against the separatists. Those Nazis have been armed to the teeth by an international effort to provide arms to the Ukraine military who has actual Nazis as part of their military. I mean, officially part of their military fighting force. Nazis are bad, yeah? And the American taxpayer is arming them, Nazis?

I realize is more complicated than I am perhaps making it. Still....you know?

Which brings me back to my initial post in this. The "fact check" site quoted a historian among a group of I think 300 historians who though acknowledging just like most countries Ukraine has racist types. But in the Ukraine they are marginalized and have no political influence. That is utter bullshit. As I said, there is at minimum one ideologically Nazi aligned unit in Ukraine's military, and politicians aligned with that unit and I can only assume that ideology as well. We know this because prior to Russian invasion human rights watch type groups have been sounding the alarm.

Now? Not only is the narrative total bullshit when it comes to Nazis in Ukraine, but the US is being lumped in with Russia as a bigger threat. Specifically, the KKK in the USA......the KKK who is small(if not totally non-existent), totally marginalized, has no political influence. In short, Nazi/white supremacists in the Ukraine contrasts with those types in the USA, , it is essentially the exact opposite of what the historian said. A historian used to support a fact check on Putin saying the Russian military fighting or "de-Nazifying" Ukraine.

I thought it was mildly amusing, how totally bullshit some of the "fact check" crap people swear by and use as a tool to silence and censor others can be. It kind of makes you wonder just how different things in general can be from what we are being told, especially if anything straying from the "facts" is deemed disinformation and censored.

shew....too long and too much typing. I might be done for the day. I don't like getting too wrapped up in this back and forth stuff anymore. Sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's just....not.
 
shew....too long and too much typing. I might be done for the day. I don't like getting too wrapped up in this back and forth stuff anymore. Sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's just....not.
Yeah man. The rest is all speculation it seems like. Right now the focus should be on resolving the current conflict because it has DIRE fucking consequences. And IF there is something going on with the INTERNAL Ukrainian politics, Russia should let the Ukrainian government figure it out and help if asked. Right now none of that has anything to do with Russia being in Ukraine.
 

Snowman999

Active member
OTOH, I am at work right now in the real world and I can absolutely see how getting raped here while doing my job might be my own fault. Dipshit. :laughings:
Did I use sitting at work as the example you fucking moron? You should blow your brains out. The problem is, you don't have one.
 

Snowman999

Active member
I don't have children. Who's the idiot now? :laughings:

Seriously, dude. You're blaming a woman for getting raped at a bar because she wasn't prepared to get raped while socializing with other humans in a similar manner. And that seems normal to you. I'm sorry you were raised to become who you are. It must be tough to carry all of that anger and confusion. But I'm sure you're doing the best you can with the tools that were given. It just sucks because you can't even see how fucked up you are.
That's not what I said at all. Thank Goodness you don't have kids, you're a fucking moron.
 

LazerBeakShiek

AKA Optimus Prime LEGO Vampire
Dolphins? Like the animals in the sea? Russian's are all Aquaman and shit.

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Dennis McKenna was paid by the university of Hawaii to take LSD and talk to dolphins. Was he successful? Can you mount lazer guns to their heads?

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Did I use sitting at work as the example you fucking moron? You should blow your brains out. The problem is, you don't have one.
So bars are a place that one can be expected to be raped in but not a workplace? Is that what I'm hearing? Are you certain that I don't work in a bar?

You are more agitated than usual. I hope everything is ok in your life. You sound angry.
 

LazerBeakShiek

AKA Optimus Prime LEGO Vampire
Russia has repeatedly stated that either Ukraine loses or it is world war 3.

Once you start fighting, you never stop. Trust me. World War is going to happen. Get ready.

An Alzheimer patient of a president and a bizarre cultural attaché pants suit VP are a security risk to the USA. By now they should have a military shadow leadership in place, and let the puppets keep blabbing.

Its The final countdown!
 

LazerBeakShiek

AKA Optimus Prime LEGO Vampire
Could this turn into a world war over international currency? Russia is stating that the ruble is trading 2 to 1 to the US dollar.

We are throwing billions of US currency at Ukraine in aid, keeping the dollar relevant internationally.

Russia is a strong country with bigger nukes than the USA. When they launch the rest will have.. 200 seconds..
 
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