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ausrock
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Tony,
I gather you have both the B1 and B2, and I presume they have a PCB on each side of the frame.
Would it be possible for you to accurately photograph all the internals of both mics and email the pics direct to me at locomo@bigpond.com. I'm pretty sure I can get an NT2 photographed for comparison.
Obviously I will either post the pics here or make them available to whoever wants to have a look.
QUOTE:........"The internal consrtuction of both the berry B1 & B2 is actually very good with NO crappy soldering etc. "
Maybe Glawfindle found some Behringer knock-offs.............now that would be funny
I gather you have both the B1 and B2, and I presume they have a PCB on each side of the frame.
Would it be possible for you to accurately photograph all the internals of both mics and email the pics direct to me at locomo@bigpond.com. I'm pretty sure I can get an NT2 photographed for comparison.
Obviously I will either post the pics here or make them available to whoever wants to have a look.
QUOTE:........"The internal consrtuction of both the berry B1 & B2 is actually very good with NO crappy soldering etc. "
Maybe Glawfindle found some Behringer knock-offs.............now that would be funny
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Glawfindle
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I know what I saw and heard Tony but anything is possible if it was a 'good' fake Behringer I guess. I'm not one to deliberately 'embark on a series of Chinese whispers' or 'have a go' at anything unless I thought that it was called for...and I could be bothered....
hhhmmm...a copy of a Behringer of a copy of a Rode which some call a copy of a Neumann. Yes, that would be funny Aus!
Shall search for more evidence and report back here when I have time. Aus could you please post your discoveries here too?
Aus, Terry or anyone else, do you believe that you have compared the sound of a genuine Behringer B2 to a genuine Rode NT2? I thought I had...but possibly not...it seems...
hhhmmm...a copy of a Behringer of a copy of a Rode which some call a copy of a Neumann. Yes, that would be funny Aus!
Shall search for more evidence and report back here when I have time. Aus could you please post your discoveries here too?
Aus, Terry or anyone else, do you believe that you have compared the sound of a genuine Behringer B2 to a genuine Rode NT2? I thought I had...but possibly not...it seems...
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Glawfindle
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Glawfindle said:
Please explain Aus
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Glawfindle
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Glawfindle said:
Can anyone confirm the NT2000 and whether or not the NT2 has been deleted from Rodes range please?
ausrock
Well-known member
As I posted elsewhere, the NT2 and Behringer B2 are definitely NOT the same mic, so that is one long standing rumour that can be put to rest.
Glawf,
Why didn't you ask Rode about the NT2, etc., when you were there...................I'm sure their reply would have more credence than another possible rumour started here on HR.
Glawf,
Why didn't you ask Rode about the NT2, etc., when you were there...................I'm sure their reply would have more credence than another possible rumour started here on HR.
ausrock
Well-known member
Ah hell,
Here is Rode's PR Blurb for June................it should in part, answer your questions.
Solid State Logic, Rode Microphones and
Event Electronics at SMPTE
Solid State Logic (SSL), Rode Microphones and Event Electronics will all be exhibited on the Freedman Electronics booth (number I35) at the upcoming Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) Exhibition. It will be held at Darling Harbour in Sydney, Australia from July 1 – 4.
Freedman Electronics was a pioneer in the Australian Audio Industry, involved in the design, manufacture, installation and service of a diverse range of audio products. Since 1991 they have manufactured and distributed Rode Microphones in Australia and they distribute to over 40 countries. RODE is currently moving from the suburb of Rhodes to Silverwater in Sydney. The new A$10M factory will house one of the most advanced condenser microphone design and manufacturing facilities in the world.
Freedman Electronics was recently appointed the sole distributor of Solid State Logic (SSL) audio mixing consoles and Event Electronics products for Australia and New Zealand.
New products by Rode Microphones will be revealed at the show and are due for release soon after.
The end of an era – the RODE NT2 is no more! The model which was RODE’s first exported microphone has now been discontinued. The final production is now in your local store and there will be no more.
The new Tuned Reference series of bi-amplified Monitors by Event Electronics will also be launched.
The new C100 Digital Broadcast Console from SSL will be unveiled, and is designed for on-air and live-to-tape applications. This console was the highlight of the show at NAB in the USA and considering other show cancellations this year, this is THE big opportunity to review yet another very special unit from Solid-State-Logic. The C200 Digital Production Console, a compact in-line digital mixing console designed for multi bus production for surround television and DVD-Audio music applications, will also be released soon.
Here is Rode's PR Blurb for June................it should in part, answer your questions.
Solid State Logic, Rode Microphones and
Event Electronics at SMPTE
Solid State Logic (SSL), Rode Microphones and Event Electronics will all be exhibited on the Freedman Electronics booth (number I35) at the upcoming Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) Exhibition. It will be held at Darling Harbour in Sydney, Australia from July 1 – 4.
Freedman Electronics was a pioneer in the Australian Audio Industry, involved in the design, manufacture, installation and service of a diverse range of audio products. Since 1991 they have manufactured and distributed Rode Microphones in Australia and they distribute to over 40 countries. RODE is currently moving from the suburb of Rhodes to Silverwater in Sydney. The new A$10M factory will house one of the most advanced condenser microphone design and manufacturing facilities in the world.
Freedman Electronics was recently appointed the sole distributor of Solid State Logic (SSL) audio mixing consoles and Event Electronics products for Australia and New Zealand.
New products by Rode Microphones will be revealed at the show and are due for release soon after.
The end of an era – the RODE NT2 is no more! The model which was RODE’s first exported microphone has now been discontinued. The final production is now in your local store and there will be no more.
The new Tuned Reference series of bi-amplified Monitors by Event Electronics will also be launched.
The new C100 Digital Broadcast Console from SSL will be unveiled, and is designed for on-air and live-to-tape applications. This console was the highlight of the show at NAB in the USA and considering other show cancellations this year, this is THE big opportunity to review yet another very special unit from Solid-State-Logic. The C200 Digital Production Console, a compact in-line digital mixing console designed for multi bus production for surround television and DVD-Audio music applications, will also be released soon.
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Glawfindle
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ausrock said:As I posted elsewhere, the NT2 and Behringer B2 are definitely NOT the same mic, so that is one long standing rumour that can be put to rest.
Glawf,
Why didn't you ask Rode about the NT2, etc., when you were there...................I'm sure their reply would have more credence than another possible rumour started here on HR.
Coz I was so blown away that they were actually showing me around their factory - I guess I was a little 'gobsmacked', if you like. I went there for mic service, thought I'd take a big punt and ask if I could have a squizz, and they were more than happy to oblige! Some areas that they said were for R&D and future product info. etc. they didn't show me - but they showed me pretty much everything else, as far as I'm aware....I wonder if I went out to their metal work factory where they make their mic bodies etc. factory out in Mudgee, NSW if I would get the same reception......I'd like to check out the new factory at Silverwater.
Aus where did you get the Rode blurb from (?) - I couldn't see it on their website. What difference in components did you notice between the B2 and NT2 Aus? And has anyone actually given them a fair listening test / comparison?
Has anyone heard the Tuned Reference Event monitors?
I better buy my NT2 now!
ausrock
Well-known member
I may attend the official opening of the new facility in Aug/ Sept............just not sure yet. The blurb was emailed to me from Rode..........I imagine it will be on the site soon.
If I can be bothered, I will resize a number of images of mic pcb's and post them here.......for now take my word that there is enough of a diff between the Rode and Behri that you couldn't say one was a copy of the other. Actually, they are totally bloody different
As far as listening comparisons...........well I have an NT2 here but the Behri's that were photographed are in the UK.
If I can be bothered, I will resize a number of images of mic pcb's and post them here.......for now take my word that there is enough of a diff between the Rode and Behri that you couldn't say one was a copy of the other. Actually, they are totally bloody different
As far as listening comparisons...........well I have an NT2 here but the Behri's that were photographed are in the UK.
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Glawfindle
New member
ausrock said:Ah hell,
Here is Rode's PR Blurb for June................it should in part, answer your questions.
Solid State Logic, Rode Microphones and
Event Electronics at SMPTE
Solid State Logic (SSL), Rode Microphones and Event Electronics will all be exhibited on the Freedman Electronics booth (number I35) at the upcoming Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) Exhibition. It will be held at Darling Harbour in Sydney, Australia from July 1 – 4.
Freedman Electronics was a pioneer in the Australian Audio Industry, involved in the design, manufacture, installation and service of a diverse range of audio products. Since 1991 they have manufactured and distributed Rode Microphones in Australia and they distribute to over 40 countries. RODE is currently moving from the suburb of Rhodes to Silverwater in Sydney. The new A$10M factory will house one of the most advanced condenser microphone design and manufacturing facilities in the world.
Freedman Electronics was recently appointed the sole distributor of Solid State Logic (SSL) audio mixing consoles and Event Electronics products for Australia and New Zealand.
New products by Rode Microphones will be revealed at the show and are due for release soon after.
The end of an era – the RODE NT2 is no more! The model which was RODE’s first exported microphone has now been discontinued. The final production is now in your local store and there will be no more.
The new Tuned Reference series of bi-amplified Monitors by Event Electronics will also be launched.
The new C100 Digital Broadcast Console from SSL will be unveiled, and is designed for on-air and live-to-tape applications. This console was the highlight of the show at NAB in the USA and considering other show cancellations this year, this is THE big opportunity to review yet another very special unit from Solid-State-Logic. The C200 Digital Production Console, a compact in-line digital mixing console designed for multi bus production for surround television and DVD-Audio music applications, will also be released soon.
Hey Aus, do you know if the SMPTE exhibition is open to the public? Can you give us any further info. about the new mics?
Sometimes it is simply just more convenient to ask here first than to contact Rode themselves - take now for example - it is outside their office hours. Sometimes this place can even give you a quicker answer than searching websites - albeit with a higher risk of the answer lacking accuracy. Although, you're right, it is best to go straight to the source - just not possible all the time.
I guess I should ask them about the grand openning of the new factory at Silverwater too - any tips on how to do this and get a positive response from them Aus?
Whats with SSL?
ausrock
Well-known member
<do you know if the SMPTE exhibition is open to the public?.................... Can you give us any further info. about the new mics?>
I don't think so, but don't hold me to that...............and no.
<Whats with SSL?>
Well apart from the fact that Rode are now the distributors for SSL and Event Electronics, I don't know that anything is up.
I didn't ask, (or even go looking) for an invite to the opening.......I guess it all comes down to my charm, wit, intelligence, impecable taste in mics (I don't own a Rode), sex appeal, did I mention.....................ah yes I did, and most of all being humble.
I don't think so, but don't hold me to that...............and no.
<Whats with SSL?>
Well apart from the fact that Rode are now the distributors for SSL and Event Electronics, I don't know that anything is up.
I didn't ask, (or even go looking) for an invite to the opening.......I guess it all comes down to my charm, wit, intelligence, impecable taste in mics (I don't own a Rode), sex appeal, did I mention.....................ah yes I did, and most of all being humble.
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Glawfindle
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ausrock said:<do you know if the SMPTE exhibition is open to the public?.................... Can you give us any further info. about the new mics?>
I don't think so, but don't hold me to that...............and no.
<Whats with SSL?>
Well apart from the fact that Rode are now the distributors for SSL and Event Electronics, I don't know that anything is up.
I didn't ask, (or even go looking) for an invite to the opening.......I guess it all comes down to my charm, wit, intelligence, impecable taste in mics (I don't own a Rode), sex appeal, did I mention.....................ah yes I did, and most of all being humble.
LOL!! How about posting a photo of yourself then Aus? Cumon, Aussie, cumon, cumon, cumon Aussie, cummon! Remember that one...?! Lets see what Rode are interested in - I want an invite to the grand openning of the new Silverwater factory too! (and shall be contacting them soon...on Tuesday). So, they offered you an invite when you didn't even have to ask for one??? Time will tell if it goes ahead I guess. I wonder if we can all ask for an invite and how many people can they actually fit in the new factory?
Aren't SSL consoles, like, over a million $$s? Surely dealers would not stock their products...?! I guess the SMPTE exhibition will be one of the few places to actually see an SSL console - other than going to a top end studio or radio / TV broadcast station?
I don't know about your taste in mics Aus - esp. if you don't own a Rode.......each to their own, I guess.
So, depending on what you actually said to Rode, Aus (if you actually mentioned your problem with component sources etc.) and if they are inviting non-Rode fans as well......it should be very interesting. I wonder if they'll invite their 'competitors' from Germany, USA, Russia, China etc. as well. They may not even have to if these other brands have spies in attendance...!
Aus?
Rode actually have a link on their website to quite a few other mic manufacturers as well - not sure how many other mic manufacturers do that but hows that for puttin your balls on the line and having confidence in your own product?!
Any idea where NT2s are being sold at the lowest prices in Aus at the moment? Guess they'll be trying to 'blow them out' before they get the new mics....?
Did you ask about the new mics Aus?
Rossi
New member
I just came across this thread. Does anybody have a picture of a NT2 PCB? I'd really be interested. While I'm not a fan of the Behringer mics, the internals look good, much better than I thought. Good old German WIMA capacitors, even though it's a Chinese product. I don't know what the electrolytics are doing in there, but if they're just stabilizing the phantom power (as I think they do), there's nothing wrong with them either. Componentwise the PCB looks similar to a SP mic, which isn't that surprising given that they come from the same factory. It is surprizing, though, given that it is a Behringer product and their readiness to cut a few corners whenever possible. But as I said the PCB looks good. But of course the actual sound depends on the design, not just the components used. I find the Behringers are overly bright. That said I find the Rode mics too bright as well. So does anybody have a picture of an NT2 PCB?
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Glawfindle
New member
Rossi said:
By Aus...
"As far as listening comparisons...........well I have an NT2 here but the Behri's that were photographed are in the UK."
Aus, could you take pics of the Rode NT2 PCB and post them so everyone can do thier own comparison - on looks of components (at least) - hopefully we'll get someone who can actually give them a fair listening comparison too...cheers
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wilkee
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I wish I had access to an NT2, as far as the sound of the Beri is concerned yes it is bright (just look at the published freq. response) but the main thing it is not harsh IMHO.
I too was surprised at the quality of the build and components.
And Rossi full marks for spotting the Wima caps.
I too was surprised at the quality of the build and components.
And Rossi full marks for spotting the Wima caps.
Dethska
Not a Mod
I don't understand how you can talk about solder and build quality if you can't see both sides of the board. It won't matter if all the components are in straight if the soldering underneath is all sloppy and bad. Would it be possible to get some pictures of the bottom of the pcb's? Anyone?
ausrock
Well-known member
Sorry, but not from me..........this whole thing is just a quick comparison exercise which is only going to show how similar (or disimilar) the pcb and components are laid out.
Rossi
New member
@ Wilkee: Yeah, I must admid I have a slight infatuation with Wima caps. Within the past few months I must have soldered about 100 of them into various pieces of Behringer gear, as the invariably use .1 uF tantalum caps (aka "The Evil").
@ Dethska: Okay, we haven't seen the soldering, but I don't expect to see anything horrible there. I've seen lots of Behringer gear "naked" and the soldering was absolutely okay. If the PCBs come from 797 Audio, not Behringer itself--and it looks as if that's the case: the SP mics, too, which come from the same factory have good build quality; very solid.
@ Dethska: Okay, we haven't seen the soldering, but I don't expect to see anything horrible there. I've seen lots of Behringer gear "naked" and the soldering was absolutely okay. If the PCBs come from 797 Audio, not Behringer itself--and it looks as if that's the case: the SP mics, too, which come from the same factory have good build quality; very solid.
Dethska
Not a Mod
Sorry guys, I thought I read some posts where people were making comments on build quality based on the pictures. But I reread this thread and found I had misunderstood. The comments refering to the pictures were about component selection.
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Glawfindle
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Dethska said:
Components, shwomponents.....has anyone compared the SOUND of the B2 and NT2? Oh well, thought it may be of interest to people deciding which one to buy - if they cannot listen themselves - for whatever reason. But in the long run, I guess it doesn't really matter if the has been NT2 has been discontinued..... although dealers will probly have them in stock for a short time...
Any news on a possible replacement for the NT2 yet?
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