Psalm 139 + Bass and Drums

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Hi People,
well this thing is by no means finished but I thought it would be a good idea to get some feedback at this stage. I've added bass and drums to the track after much deliberation. I'm looking for comments on these in particular and perhaps what a second vocal might do.

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"Every Moment MkII"

Cheers
dres
 
I like it

Hey dres, Great song, sounds very CCM. I will tell you what I hear although I dont know if I qualify to give you opinion as your quality is much better than mine. I really do not have a problem with your tracking, all the parts sound well thought out and performed well. The overall track sounds very dry to me, which makes it have a very LIVE sound. If you could sparingly use some reverb or maybe even delay to help create some depth in the track. I think that it will be there. The vocals seem to be fighting the guitar a little bit for the same space. If the guitar had a splash of verb to set it back a few feet in the room? Anyhow, sounds great and I will look forward to the finished product. I downloaded your OPEN JAM, I am going to play with this a little and see what I can come up with.


Keep rockin for the Cross!

Brian
 
Thanks SixStringBlues. You sound like you know what your talking about... I understand what your saying and will give it ago. It's true my skills kinda diminish after the tracking stage... I've never really learnt how to be creative in mixing and production. Are there any tricks with the delay ? I'm a novice when it comes to these things !
 
Sounds great over here!
Real drums?

I thought the bass sounded really fine.

I'd definatly say add some harmony/second voice at 1:39 where the reverb get's deeper.
A small acoustic solo would sound nice at 2:15 too.
JMHOP!:D

Sounds like it's coming along very well,good tune!

Thanks,
Pete
 
Gidge...thumbs up!

dres, really liked what you did to this. Drums and bass really added so more life to it. I thought what Gidge added was pretty cool too..don't you?
 
I appreciate Gidge

Hey Gidge, Your a good man, and you have put up some cool stuff. But In honesty I think that what the electric covers up on the acoustics is more important than what it is adding. There is some real cool intervals ringing out on the acoustics in the bridge part, over the pedal tone, but you cant hear it anymore with the electric in there. Just my two cents, and please do not be offended by my opinion.


Brian:)
 
Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut!

My momma always said " If you cant say something nice, dont say anything"


Well, I just broke her rule.


B:(
 
hey, i apologized for what i did to it:D

really no offense taken.....the one thing that should be appreciated most in this forum is honesty because without it, its purpose becomes useless.......

with that said, you just have no clue:D :eek: :p put on some spandex and mousse up your hair and youd get it;)

dres, again I apologize.....
 
Hello,

Nice tune.

You asked for potential vocal ideas.
I hear a little quirkiness in the begining verses (double time sylable thing or something). I would start by accenting them with a trio of voices in spots like "he will be {NOW}....waiting for me"
and (".........{NOW}guiding me}" and "{NOW}recognize my face". ect.......
Sorry about my obscure syntax but, I think you might get the idea (and it is just an idea).

Also, I think you could stick ing a drawn out backing vox over the entire verse of here and there regurgitating a line like "Everything I do, Belongs to you". Does that make sence? It does in my vocal head but, it is tons harder to type than it is to sing
:D

I'd work and accent those builds by repeating the same bass notes with a bass and maybe keys if you have it. The acousict git build is cool. Make it stand out more

Hope I wasn't too ambiguous (yes, I know I can't spell to save my life!!) If you've a taste for the ideas, I'll try and clear up any mess I've left in this post.

peace,
Theron.

P.S.

Gidge added great reinforcement and you should look into his approach imho.
 
muzeman: Hi again, glad you like the bass and drums. Not real drums though.. Roland TD-8 electric kit.. although I did go to a lot of trouble to tweak the drum sounds... not only the sounds but the tuning so the drums to an extent harmonise with the tune. Yep I agree with the extra harmony and solo... I deliberately left space for that kinda stuff. Thanks for your comments.

Gidge: Congradulations ... there have been a few people offering to add to this tune... but your the first (first ever for me) to get additions up... thanks for spending the time. Now to your additions... I can understand what both you and SixStringBlues are talking about.... I love the electric in the chorus.. great sound and a very worthwhile addition... the verse is a little trickier.. the strum at O:17 is great but the timing of the picking at 0:21 competes too much with the different rythm of both acoustic and drums... maybe something a little quieter and straighter rythm ? The sustained chord at 0:48 is great... could it somehow fade a bit and still verge into highpitch feedback ? (big ask I know) ... the picked notes at 0:55 however just sound wrong... I get the idea but I think it needs something else. Perhaps at this point can you try that effect where notes fade in and out in volume ? (volume pedal ??) instead of trying to reinforce the rythm add 1 or 2 really high low volume notes. OK well that's about it ... really good electric sound... I hope that all makes sense

David: I practiced hard to get the drums right .. good to know it's not detracting. Gidge has the right idea, justs need tweaking.

Theron: Thanks for taking the time with the comments. Yep I understand what you mean and had been thinking along similar lines, at least with the "drawn out backing vocal". I'm looking forward to doing the harmonies... they are always a lot of fun.

Any hints on production people ? The idea of playing with the reverb level was just a last minute thing.... do you thnk it works? I do have to pursue the idea of using delay instead... but I've not much experience with this. Any hints appreciated.
 
hey, ill take a shot at Test 2 if ya dont mind?.....

i could not for the life of me figure what chords to play for the verse, so thats why there are some oddball notes and random harmonics during the second verse:D

what the chords for the verses?......

so ill take a crack at it again and Im very interested to hear what others come up with....i never felt compelled to add to someones song before but this one called to me.....next time ill change strings and tune it before it calls.....:eek:

what about the riff from 1:05 to 1:20?.....
 
Hi Gidge, ya sorry I forgot to talk about your 2nd verse riff... I realised after I logged off you tried something different there. Yep I like your 1:05 to 1:20 riff much better... mainly because it reinforces the rythm of the guitar (and because I think it's pritty cool ;) )... it does drown the acoustic, but at this point in the song where it's building I think it adds good contrast to the first verse and the acoustic line is only novel once !

It would be great if you could do something special with the break 1:57 - 2:04 (in the same vein as what you did 0:20 to 0:24..maybe more elaborate ?) ... then maybe I imagining a organ solo 2:05 - 2:16 (do you play keys ? ;) )

Chords... this is not my speciality, I'm really hopeless. Try and follow the bass perhaps ? If your really stuck I'll try and work it out.

So Gidge... go for it mate. I really really like your guitar sound and I reckon the notes are 70% there.... please continue.

It's funny you felt "called" to participate. There something special about singing scripture... to my shame I don't do it more often.

And if anyone reading this would fancy doing some hammond organ 2:05-2:16 or other places where it fits.. feel free.
 
Psalm 139? You sure? I checked, and I see no connection between Psalm 139 and the lyrics in your song. Or are you just associating with spinoff ideas from the first few lines of Psalm 139? I think this song has way more to do with dres than anything in the Psalms.

By the way, you dont 'stand in the place of death'. You fall in the place of death. Count on it.

On the bright side, you're getting a way better sound in your mixes than I do. If I tried to get the sound you get in your mixes, I couldn't do it - I wouldn't know how to do it. What I admire most about this song is the sound. Oh - one more thing - I admire the playing and singing too - the performance is really tight - on the beat, in tune, and tight.

The conclusion? I feel you don't need a musical director - you're ace in that department.

Lyrically and thematically? Check out the next couple of albums I put up here. I'm in that kind of mood.
 
'Based on'

Okay. But it's still the playing, recording and mixing I like on this one.
 
dobro said:


Okay. But it's still the playing, recording and mixing I like on this one.
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yep thats what its all about.....

and who listens to the words these days anyway...:D
 
dobro: Sorry... the title of this thread is a little misleading. As Gidge pointed out the song is only based on Psalm 139.. it's not a word for word thing. In particular I've focused on verses 8 - 12 for verse 1 of the song and verses 13 - 16 for verse 2.. the chorus basically summarises these 2 ideas of not being able to escape from God and acknowledging we belong to him because he made us. Thanks for your interest and comments about the music.

Gidge: Thanks for your prompt reply... I'll try and give you the notes etc when I get home...check your pm's for the words..... I'm really looking forward to Test 2.
 
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i put up test 2...its a bunch of scraps pieced with no eq or mixing, i just panned them out......

if i every get some parts you like ill record them thru right:D
 
Gidge... it's getting better :)
I know it hasn't changed but I really really like your git in the chorus.. it rocks !

1:05 - 1:20 cool stuff ... I really like it
2:30 - 2:45 good again although the rythm gets outa sync a little

1:20 - 1:27 Hmmm - don't really think this works ... not sure what to do here.... maybe some muted semiquaver picking similar to 1:05 - 1:20 ? maybe low notes not high... maybe just stick to the pedal point note (whatever that is ;) )

1:57 - 2:03 again .. really good
2:04 - 2:15 change this to a picking thing like I suggested for 1:05 - 1:20 and like you played in 1:05 - 1:20

I'm such a fussy bastard... thanks for your patience. I concious of leaving room for some keys and the vocal harmonies.

Wow... a song based on a 2000+ years old Psalm with collaborators living 10,000+ kms apart...Totally awesome

I'm enjoying this.
 
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