Overrated.....Underrated....

Hm, no Paul harmony vocal on She Said She Said? I've held out listening to it since our discussion in order to pick a time to where I could crank it a bit to hear the bass. In my head I can clearly hear Paul in there, vocals. Given what you've said it'd be interesting to hear it again. I've a song that has been in the works for a while, semi She Said She Said rip off, influenced we'll just say. In (attempting) to work an upper harmony, Paul, probably too high, I'm not going to able to hit it and will need someone else. If George sang harmony on She Said She Said, inspiration, maybe I have a shot!
 
Back on topic? Probably won't get a whole lot of mileage on this one, but an E for effort? I don't know, should be a good one for the topic.

Back in the day Eddie Van Halen had Guitar Player top guitarist in a lock for several years. Who, I say who could possibly rise to the occasion and take the crown? Enter Robert Cray. Plain very little if any effects Strat sound, took the top spot. Eh, I'm not really sure what went on the with that decision. But I must say Strong Persuader is an excellent album, if you're into that sort of thing. Strong vocally, stripped down guitar sound virtually unseen/heard in modern times, good writing, groovy horns...what's not to like? But top guitarist, toppling Eddie?
 
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Mick Doobie said:
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Of all the albums I have replaced with CDs(i no longer have a turntable), which comparatively speaking are few, that album that I will not mention on account of preserving whirled peas, is one of them. Jeff Beck Wired as well.

Another, another excellent example of a mixture of studio and live album. An album by that little ol' band from Texas, ZZ Top. Fandango!

Anyway!.....
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Oh YEAH... You can also throw in XXX. Dusty does a great version of Teddy Bear.

 
Mick Doobie said:
Hm, no Paul harmony vocal on She Said She Said? I've held out listening to it since our discussion in order to pick a time to where I could crank it a bit to hear the bass. In my head I can clearly hear Paul in there, vocals. Given what you've said it'd be interesting to hear it again. I've a song that has been in the works for a while, semi She Said She Said rip off, influenced we'll just say. In (attempting) to work an upper harmony, Paul, probably too high, I'm not going to able to hit it and will need someone else. If George sang harmony on She Said She Said, inspiration, maybe I have a shot!
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According to the Complete Beatles Recording Sessions, they did 25 practice runs, then three real takes with drums, bass and 2 guitars. Take 3 was chosen a the best, so the lead vocal (John) and backing vocals (John and George) were overdubbed. They did a sub mix and cleared a track where they added some guitar and organ parts (John). From that they did a number of mixes, of which #4 was chosen as the final. So based on that, it sounds like Paul only played bass on the basic rhythm track unless he and George switched duties.
 
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TalismanRich said:
According to the Complete Beatles Recording Sessions, they did 25 practice runs, then three real takes with drums, bass and 2 guitars. Take 3 was chosen a the best, so the lead vocal (John) and backing vocals (John and George) were overdubbed. They did a sub mix and cleared a track where they added some guitar and organ parts (John). From that they did a number of mixes, of which #4 was chosen as the final. So based on that, it sounds like Paul only played bass on the basic rhythm track unless he and George switched duties.
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Interesting. Thanks. Still haven't an opportunity to listen, when I do I need volume given I want to be as certain as possible what I am hearing...in context of these discussions.

Yeah, I hear the organ in and out of the mix. A high drone, kind of like the ol' tinnitus ring from which apparently a lot of us here suffer. I'm going to steal that for the idea I have long in the works. Working with a drum machine sucks, tedious....long and tedious process that everything else is (eventually) built upon.
 
Okay, couldn't resist and listened on me cellfone. Can't hear the bass, but wow, now it's so apparent that it's John on the higher harmony. Very cool tune. I'll never get those type drum fills on the machine...getting close(r), though. Most of my shit is still boxed up from the move, but soon to consolidate a space for my gear.
 
Moody Blues (I am not sure they have been mentioned, I checked, but not real hard).
Nights in White Satin (67)
Tuesday Afternoon (67)
The Question (70)
Legend of a Mind (68)
Ride My See-Saw (68)
I am just a Singer (72)
The Voice (81)

I think that is a pretty significant list and that is not a deep dive, just what I remember from radio.
 
Mick Doobie said:
Okay, couldn't resist and listened on me cellfone. Can't hear the bass, but wow, On now it's so apparent that it's John on the higher harmony. Very cool tune. I'll never get those type drum fills on the machine...getting close(r), though. Most of my shit is still boxed up from the move, but soon to consolidate a space for my gear.
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On the new mixes it seems that the bass is buried in the mix. When the song came out, I remember the bass being more prominent, although it might have been due to system that I heard it played on (that summer She Said, Rain and Paperback Writer were big hits on the swimming pool jukebox).

However, if you listen to this rehearsal take, you can hear the bass much better, and it sounds to me like it is Paul's style.
 
TalismanRich said:
On the new mixes it seems that the bass is buried in the mix. When the song came out, I remember the bass being more prominent, although it might have been due to system that I heard it played on (that summer She Said, Rain and Paperback Writer were big hits on the swimming pool jukebox).

However, if you listen to this rehearsal take, you can hear the bass much better, and it sounds to me like it is Paul's style.
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Cool. I just read the Wikipedia on the song for the first time. Interesting, but it would appear there is disagreement on who played bass on the final released recording. Upon waking this morning given our discussions the song was back in my head. Odd....though I listened to the song last night and could hear that it is actually John singing the upper harmony, in my head I still can hear Paul. Weird how that works. There's bound to be a name for that, cognitive or confirmation bias? Visually peredollia, or whatever it's called?

Tangent alert. There's currently a murder trial going on. Husband/father accused of killing his wife and son. Firearm(s). Poor kid's head was blown off. In a taped interview with the father the prosecutor played for the jury, the (accused) father is heard saying of the son, "___ did him so bad". The prosecutor suggests the father said "I did him so bad". To my ears, through tears, it is not really clear what he actually said. Analysis, played at reduced speed, he could have just as easily have said "They", whoever killed his son, they did him so bad. But for the jury, who knows, once "I" is in their head no amount of analysing or slowing down of the tape will get that out of their head.

Anyway. Overall interesting discussion, maybe best we get back on topic.
 
Mick Doobie said:
it would appear there is disagreement on who played bass on the final released recording
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There is an absolutely brilliant book on "Revolver: How the Beatles Reimagined Rock'n'roll" by a guy called Robert Rodriguez. It's honestly one of the best books on the Beatles that I've read. His take on the mystery is this. Replying specifically to the quote that Rich alludes to in post 107, he states:
"If accurate, this suggests that Paul was around at least initially for laying down the rhythm tracks but gone by the time the backing vocals were added since his voice isn't present. The band completed a total of 3 takes of backing instruments before adding the vocals; at least a couple of well-researched Beatles reference books cite the above track-by-track breakdown, suggesting that Paul had to be playing bass since George couldn't very well be playing guitar at the same time - unless they had already switched roles.
But there's a problem with this, discernible by closely listening to the stereo mix. Either the log-and therefore the books- are mistaken, and the drums occupied their own track all along, with the bass added later, or a "Paul and Ringo" rhythm track was wiped following Paul's walkout, with the drums recut alone. Most likely, Paul's bass was never cut because he absented himself before this stage; therefore, the only bass on the track was played by George after the initial reduction mix.
As evidence, the stereo imaging shows the drums and bass as separate, distinct entities: the drums are panned to the far right while the bass is centred in the mix. They therefore were not recorded together; and any source saying otherwise is incorrect."

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Mick Doobie said:
I hear the organ in and out of the mix. A high drone
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I've always loved that organ. With all the noise going on so early on in the song, it's almost imperceptible but once you've heard it, you'll rarely unhear it.
Mick Doobie said:
I'll never get those type drum fills on the machine...working with a drum machine sucks, tedious....long and tedious process that everything else is (eventually) built upon.
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Something I've been doing a lot recently is playing the drums myself but using a real kit and adding each component separately. It really gets one thinking like a drummer and I really have had to give thought to how the drums are going to be played and their role at every part of the song and I have to say, drums are gloriously weird !
It does take a long time, depending on the length of the song and where the drums are placed, but it's surprisingly satisfying when done.
 
DM60 said:
I think he is underrated. He has created a nice body of work in his career. Body of work I think should be one of the key factors.
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Bob Seger is a legend ... I love him...and influenced many great musicians and bands. He was Glenn Frey's mentor. I think he is not that well known by the masses compared to say.. Eagles.. but in musical circles he is well known and very respected. Thats my take.
Matt Le Blanc appeared in Night Moves video and recalled his appearence as a young man when Bob asked him to his trailor to dicuss the video and they did a bottle of Tequila together 🥰🥰🥰

Matt said Bob got him drunk for the video 😅😅

 
Back in the day Bob Seger was all over the radio, jukeboxes, etc...played it in bands as well. For me personally it became a noise, lowbrow noise, just make it stop. Many years later playing online poker I came up with 2 pair, 8s and Aces. I'm thinking raise for value. Then into my head pops that Seger lyric from Fire Lake, which of course refers back to the legend of the 2 pairs held by Wild Bill Hickok when he was shot in the back of the head. So I pulled up some Bob Seger. Man, what a catalog. The voice, the songwriting, Americana. He was back on the play list.

 
Mick Doobie said:
Back in the day Bob Seger was all over the radio, jukeboxes, etc...played it in bands as well. For me personally it became a noise, lowbrow noise, just make it stop. Many years later playing online poker I came up with 2 pair, 8s and Aces. I'm thinking raise for value. Then into my head pops that Seger lyric from Fire Lake, which of course refers back to the legend of the 2 pairs held by Wild Bill Hickok when he was shot in the back of the head. So I pulled up some Bob Seger. Man, what a catalog. The voice, the songwriting, Americana. He was back on the play list.

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Such a distinctive voice Micky, very few singers have that ability🥰
 
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