Let's dream up the worst scenario for tracking a band we can think of...

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1 - Band calls studio and insist's on "radio quality" sound because they have "label interest".

2 - Band wants to do this "radio quality" sound with only 3 days to track/mix 4 songs.

3 - Band shows up, drummer has a 12 piece drumkit. It is obvious that the heads have been used for at least a week or two, and there is rust on the hoops of the drums.

4 - Drummer has the toms so low and so close to the snare that you cannot get a top mic in a position to capture a good snare sound. Since he has 4 rack tom's and two kick drums, that snare isn't moving ANYWHERE but where it is.

5 - Drummer has a cymbal over EVERY FREAKIN' tom!!! 3 inches to spare, that is it! Now you cannot get the tom mic in a good position to capture a good sound, and the cymbal bleed is horrible!!! He cannot "play well" if the cymbals are raised. That "flat" mic position on the toms will have to do, even though you cannot get any resonance on the toms now. Also, you cannot possibly supply enough quaity mic pre's for EVERY drum, so you are sharing 3 mics between 6 toms...:(

6 - Drummer cannot tune kit very well. You have very little time to get rid of that "ping" shit out of the toms because you only have today to track all rhythems. The rusty hoops also mean that many lugs don't twist well. Tuning a good sound is not possible. Couple with bad mic position, it looks like Drumagog is in order....:(

7 - Drummer does not hit consistently. Some hits show 12dB more volume on the meters than the "average" hit. Some hits show 12dB LESS than average.

8 - Drummer is playing stuff WAY too hard for him to execute well. In addition, his timing during transitions in the song is like a train wreck!

9 - Bass player uses the wrong bass for the type of sound he wants. You have to DI because you don't have iso enough to mic a cabinet. The DI sound is very flat sounding, and he insistently complains that this sound doesn't sound like his "cabinet" does.

10 - Bass player cannot pick consistently. The good tone comes and goes. Notes will just seem to disappear, or some notes will "fart out".

11 - Bass is poorly intonated, and they are tuning a half step flat. In addition, he uses the same bass for songs where the E string is tuned yet another step flat.

12 - Guitar player has a solid state amp, and uses X Model digital guitar processor. His sound is that "mids all the way out" "scooped" sound. No tone. Totally saturated. He wants that "Pantera" guitar tone, but any time you put some midrange back in the sound, he says it doesn't sound right.

13 - Guitar is poorly intonated. In addition, the bridge pickup is so close to the strings that it is causing the sting to pull out of tune. In addition, his action is so low, the guitar will not resonate at all!

14 - Singer goes from whisper to scream, sometimes in the same vocal line. He has never been in the studio before. He has never heard himself so clearly before. His dynamics are way out of control.

15 - Singers actual tone is sort of "average", meaning he just sounds like any ol' dude off the street. The band has a very heavy aggressive sound, and this guy is singer like Richard Marx.

16 - Singer cannot sing any two takes in a row at the same volume. In fact, his volume can vary by about 6 dB from one take to the next.

17 - Singer sings flat the whole time.

18 - Singer burns out after about 1 hour because when he screams, he SCREAMS!!! Because of his dynamic and intonation problems, you have to do several takes just to get one part right.






I will add more as I can think of them. I can add SEVERAL other small things to this list and will when I have time.

Is this a real session? ;)

Ed
 
You just described the last four bands I've tracked. Right down to the drum kits.
 
And one of the guys dad is the "manager" for the group and insists on giving advice the whole time.

A long time ago, we had let a young band open for us and we were using my personal PA system, which was pretty nice. While I was setting up, one of the kids dads was standing behind me telling me that I had better give them a "soundcheck" and get my stuff out of their way (Small stage, lots of speakers). I nearly killed him, but when I composed myself I told him #1 that he WOULD leave my stage immediately and never talk to me again and #2 if he did, his kid and their group could pack their gear and go home for all I cared because I was being nice letting them open anyways. And they ended up sucking, which just made us look better:D

H2H
 
...and they start drinking and "smoking" to relax and relieve nervousness early on in the session, resulting in progressively more inept playing.

...and they bring their buddy who was in a studio once or twice in his life to provide you (constantly) with the benefit of his studio expertise.

...and there is a photographer and videographer there to "document" the session interrupting takes, bumping into mic stands, tripping over cables, etc.

...and at least one member of the band will confuse your grand piano for a table to put (and spill) drinks on.


Now for my question: do you mean there are sessions that AREN'T like this??? :D
 
sonusman said:

Is this a real session? ;)

Ed
Yes, and they were called "Demons Gone" from Tacoma Washington in the early 90's. I have the original 16 track masters. Im thinking about remixing and comparing it to the original engineers. Maybe in January.

SoMm
 
been there...

....bass player doesn't know how to tune his bass, so guitarist does it for him.

....no one can track individually, because no player can play unless all others play with him.

....band is all related (brothers / cousins) so no one will tell the ones that suck *that* they suck.

....half the band is away at college, and you are recording on fall break, so the band hasn't practiced for 6 weeks.

....band has spent so much time on website programming and album graphics that they haven't learned the songs.

....band is inconsistent because they are smoking PCP-laced joints in their car (because you won't let them smoke PCP-laced joints in the studio).

hoo boy that last band... Morbius, from Springfield VA. - death metal band. Inconsistent drummer, playing waaaay over his ability, trying to do too much on too little gear in too little time.

Spent a 13-hour day tracking, then mixed overnight, they came back the next morning and listened and loved it. Didn't hear from them for a few weeks. Then I started hearing through the grapevine...

"We're not so happy with the demo." ...then...
"We hate the demo." ...then...
"Bill [me] screwed up the demo through incompetence." ...then...
"Bill sabotaged the demo because of musical jealousy." ...then...
"Bill sabotaged the demo because of musical jealousy and we're going to KICK HIS ASS WHEN WE SEE HIM."

ahhhh, good times.. good times...

- housepig
 
TexRoadkill said:
It could be worse. It could be raining.

Tex, we're in Portland....all it does is rain here :D

Hey Ed, sounds like you have "The Adventures Of Sonusman" in the works....too bad it's only a 4 day session...too short to make a movie out of.

If I keep my lips shut will you PM me and tell me who they are? I have a guess already. ;)
 
But what if they book 5 more days Ken? ;) This IS a real session.....

Didn't add:

19 - Every wife and girlfriend has "visited" the studio now. One wife was correcting homework papers on the floor right in the main throughfare between the tracking and control room, and was RIGHT in front of the bathroom door! The singer was practically making out with his girlfriend. Oh, one wife brought the kids too!

20 - The guitar player brought a half rack to one of the sessions and proceeded to drink his good share of it right before he started doing his overdubs.

21 - Singer has three volumes for singing. Great, three tracks. No problem.....wait..... He can't sing the same volume two takes in a row!!! Set gain for the whisper track, he whispers a LOT louder the next take. So, turn down gain, have him do it again. Next take, he sings a LOT softer than the last take. Turn gain back up. Back and forth and back and forth. The few times I manage to get the gain right for his take, he messes up! Back and forth, back and forth!!! His "loud" tracks are SO loud that it is either back him off the mic, which introduces a LOT of room sound which makes those takes sound VERY different than the other takes, or turn down the preamp a LOT, then the tonal characteristics sound VERY different. To top it off, he is one of these guys that has the "emphasis" certain words.....:rolleyes: I swear, I can set it up to have the gain right, tonal and room sounds aside, and this guy manages to make the compressor on th pre go into 12dB of gain reduction anyway!!! I have no idea how a guy cannot hear in his headphones such a drastic gain difference, but he doesn't.

22 - Every take the singer does, in his opinion, is a keeper. This guy never ONCE said "nah, I can do that much better", no matter how bad his diction, intonation, or "energy" was from take to take. It was always "yeah baby, that was great!". I had to start asking the guitar player for an opinion.

Tracking is done finally. 4 X10 hour days to get 4 songs tracked. There are no more than 21 tracks at the most, and one song only has 17 tracks. 10 hours of this was vocals! This is the guy that was going to finish his vocals in "about 2 hours tops!" (his words....). They intend to finish possibly in 5 more days because of the extent of editing that needs to be done. Pretty much, the drum tracks, except for the overheads, will use Drumagog to replace actual "good" sounding drums over what was tracked. Also, I must hopefully get everything but the cymbals out of the overheads so that I may move a LOT of out of time drum hits around without it sounding "splashy" between the track and the overheads. This is going to be some of the most tedious editing I have ever done in my life! Not really looking forward to it, but the band want's it "near perfect" like "Pantera"....:eek:

The good news is that other than some poor sounding drums, a LOT of performance issues, the sonics of this recording are actually fairly decent. Actually, for the genre, it might be a little too good sounding! ;)

Anyway. I might add some more.

Track Rat. I just got out of a session a day before this one started with a punk band that has been together for 3 months, and none of them have ever been in the studio before. Two of them were still in highschool, and none are old enough to drink legally. So it was out of the pot and into the fire for me too! You know from owning a studio that bands like you and I are doing make up about 75% of your business!!!:( I feel for you buddy. But is all worth it for that one or two bands a year, who always happen to be the brokest bands, that actually can play, and you work for next to nothing just so you can do a cool sounding project for once....:)

Ed
 
littledog said:
and they bring their buddy who was in a studio once or twice in his life to provide you (constantly) with the benefit of his studio expertise.

I think we have a winner, here. :D


I will also add:

*Band has no dedicated "lead singer," and haven't previously discussed / agreed upon who will be singing which songs.

You can also replace that with:

*Band has two guitar players and haven't previously discussed / agreed upon who will be playing what solos.
 
All I can say is, you guys make me feel great to be an amateur!
My scenario- the nice music professor with the PHd and the 18th century violin with a bow that cost more than my car has been working on the line for her overdub for 3 months. She shows up on time, the sound check is accomplished in less than 1 hour, and the first take is flawless. We lay down 2 or 3 additional virtual tracks for variety, and go out for Chinese food. Every other person in the project shows up prepared, with the finest possible instruments, and it becomes the mixing engineer's job to make sense of the available tracks.
I might eventually become a producer, but tracking turkeys by the hour is a job I'll never take. My hat goes off to all of you. I could *never* do what y'all do.-Richie
 
Got one to add. The lead singer was wasted the night before and slashed his wrist trying to break into his house (lost keys). He shows up (with the help of another band member) on some major pain killers. This was a Saturday/Sunday session. He sleeps all day Saturday and wakes up about 10:00PM when we're shutting it down. The only saving grace (?????) was the drummer kept screwing up so much on one song it blew the whole day (OK the whole weekend) anyhow.

Did I mention this was a freebee???? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Oh yeah, and the band imploded within 2 weeks after the recording. Go figure.

DD
 
DigitalDon said:


Oh yeah, and the band imploded within 2 weeks after the recording. Go figure.

DD

That is a scenario that I try to not contribute to. Not good for long term business if you know what I mean.

It is real. The band thinks they are hot, they come into the studio with dreams of the "best recording ever", and they slowly find out that they have a LOT of problems. People start pointing fingers at each other, some members start asking me a lot of "what do YOU think", etc.....

Once upon a time, I used to answer. I have watched too many bands break up right after tracking a CD, so now I stay out of it. It is not my job to offer opinions to them about anything other than the sonics that get captured to tape. I am NOT the producer on 90% of the clients I work with in the studio, so really, whether a guy messes up or not is not much of my business when I am dealing with them. Trust me, taking the stance of me answering back "more important, what did YOU think?" keeps things a lot more cool. Let's face it, I have full time "studio ears", and can hear a mistake while it is happening that sometimes will take the band 2 or 3 days before they realize it was a mistake. The thing is, as a professional engineer, you have to sort of make a judgement call. Do I tell them the truth the whole time, get them to the point that they realize that they are incapable of tracking a nearly mistake free CD, have them all uptight because "the drummer sucks ass", then they decide to scrap the CD? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is not my job as the engineer to go there!!! My job is to anticipate what the "producer" might want, and be prepared to capture the takes the band does in a professional manner. That is the only way it is good for business. What I am learning is that about the time the band starts realizing how bad they are, the project is in jepardy. At that point, I might start pushing to move ahead and point out what is good about the production.

It can be trying to make the studio experience a good one when the band has expectations that they themselves cannot live up to. But, I HAVE to try to make it a positive experience. I have had cases where a band has came back at a later time, and sounded MUCH better than they did before. But I have also have had situations where possibly my "opinions" helped break up the band.

Anyway, just rambling about that.

Richard. If you become a "producer", you will be dealing with turkeys by the hour! :) I will tell you this, it is MUCH less stressful being just the engineer. Boring at times. But as the producer, YOU will be held responsible for the final outcome of the production, NOT the engineer! ;) If you go into producing as a living, you will have an even harder time at the local levels getting clients, and you WILL take on some of the worst bands just to build up your portfolio. Trust me, you will...You will also find out that the clients you really want to work with usually have little to no money at all for recording a great sounding CD. The great bands that do, now you are competing against stiff competition locally. You stick with it for a long time, indeed, maybe your reputation will put you on the "short list" of local producers. But that is a long road.

Ed
 
Re: been there...

housepig said:
....bass player doesn't know how to tune his bass, so guitarist does it for him.
...

- housepig


Reminds me of a time when an opening act (heavy metal) at my club was SOOOO out of tune... I had to shut down the mains after their first song.

I told them (through the monitors) that they needed to tune up. They all started looking around the stage to see where I was! (I was in the sound booth, of course)

So, they started tuning...

Then, I had to tell them to tune again... but this time, tune TO EACH OTHER.

So, they started tuning again...

Then, I had to tell them to tune to the bass... (which they did... but the bass was still out of tune... and consequently the guitars)

So, I told the bass player to tune first, then let the guitars tune to him. (can you picture this?)

I guess the benefit of all this was that it really cut into their playing time... which spared the audience considerable pain.

That taught us our first lesson in letting a headliner pick their own opener... without us at least hearing them first.

I would say that these guys sucked... but that would be a slam against those who really do suck.
 
23. You have to track everything on a MAC!!! YUCK!

24. The vocalist comes in with a taped up radio shack mic that he insists on using because "its the only mic I ever thought I sounded good on" after you spent the first day tracking with a 1000 dollar mic.


Beezoboy
 
Ed, you got ICQ? You wanna swap some drumagog samples? or do you have mine already ?
 
Hey pipeline, I don't have ICQ where I am right now. I DO have Microsoft Messenger (me and Slackmaster chat all the time). If you download that, I am sonusman@hotmail.com . Haven't used Drumagog yet on a "real" project, so this will be the first. I actually intended to use sample of his own drums (the better sounding hits) for replacement, but would love to check out your samples IF

They are 48KHz ( I guess I could resample them if they aren't)
24 bit (on this thing, 16 bit probably isn't going to make that much of a difference, but I like the extra info...:))

Ed
 
5 - Drummer has a cymbal over EVERY FREAKIN' tom!!! 3 inches to spare, that is it! Now you cannot get the tom mic in a good position to capture a good sound, and the cymbal bleed is horrible!!! He cannot "play well" if the cymbals are raised. That "flat" mic position on the toms will have to do, even though you cannot get any resonance on the toms now. Also, you cannot possibly supply enough quaity mic pre's for EVERY drum, so you are sharing 3 mics between 6 toms...

You forgot the mic for the Bell Chimes he needs to use in the runchy-blues/rock-vibe song set....
:D
 
Great stuff, Ed...

...probably not from where you sit, tho :)

Here's a vote for our having very own "Mixerman"-type diary here, written by sonusman himself :D

Someone should take bets as to which band screws up the worst on any given day; Bitch Slap, or Ed's band :)


-C
 
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