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Mick Doobie

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Are any of you guys following this?

I'm not a conspiracy guy, but this is some weird shit, just doesn't seem to be adding up. The latest...

Original story from the police...(fbi?): The hotel security guy, Jesus Camos, alerted by a hotel room door ajar alarm found his himself on the 32 fllor of the Mandalay Bay hotel. This is supposedly while the shooting is happening. The shooter is distracted from shooting through the broken windows at the crowd below, and reportedly fires approximately 200 rounds through the hotel room door. Camos is wounded in the leg. Meanwhile the police are still trying to pinpoint from which floor the gunshots are coming. The police finally make it to the stairwell on the 32nd floor where they find Camos. Though wounded, he has remained at that location. No further shots were fired through the window, at the crowd, following Camos being on the 32nd floor. Camos is hailed by police as a hero. If not for Camos distracting the shooter and taking his focus off of shooting at the crowd through the window, many more likely would have been killed.

However...

The timeline of events has now changed. Now the police are saying (have admitted?) Camos was on the 32nd floor and was wounded before the shooter fired on the crowd. Camos was wounded when the shooter fired approximately 200 rounds through the door at 9:59 pm. According to the timeline, the shooter then began to open fire through the window 6 minutes later, at 10:05. 10:12 police who were already in the hotel prior to shooting make their way to 31st floor and report the shooting is coming from one floor above. 10:15, shooter stops firing through the window, no more shots were fired from or in that hotel room. 10:17 police arrive on 32nd floor. They find Camos, who informs them he is wounded.

I'm not passing judgement. It just seems odd. How could the official timeline as to when Camos was wounded been released to the public, yet been so wrong?

Opinions?

There are other oddities (police told the public the shooter checked into the hotel on the 28th Sept. After being pressed by investigative reporter, the official police timeline was changed/confirmed for check-in on 25th. This was following being repeatedly questioned by investigative reporter as to whether the initial reported check-in time was incorrect. Sheriff had initially responded to questioning, "I'm not under the belief Paddock was inside hotel room Sep.25-Sep28." There is a room service receipt dated 27th. The receipt says, "Guests: 2". The shooters name is printed on the receipt!)

wtf?
 

andrushkiwt

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This is what happens when you want information before it's ready and verifiable. Once they have put together the data, they'll release something more official. Until then, it'll be speculation, misinformation, and jigsaw-like. Give them time.
 

Mick Doobie

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Much of what is in my first post was released by the sheriff through official press releases/conferences. The public desire for information aside, the police are not in the business of releasing information before it is ready and verifiable, I would think.

The "investigative reporter" asked the Sheriff a question as he stands at the podium at the press conference. "There have been receipts obtained from the valet security system that show (interrupted by Sheriff admonishing reporter, "ma'am, that's not how we conduct this"). Reporter, "Well, it says that he checked-in on the 25th, has your timeline changed? Because the FBI has reported that.." (the Sheriff again interrupts, "That's not how I conduct press conferences") "Well, has the official timeline changed?"

Sheriff, visibly agitated, "Please stop asking your question. There's a decorum here."

There is an edit in the video. Skipping forward?...

Sheriff, i'm assuming in response tlo another reporter's question concerning the timeline, "To the best of my recollection we have information on the 25th. Um, I had previously told you the 28th. Um, we're trying to confirm his actions between the 25th and the 28th. I, um, ah, eh, i'm under the belief that he was not occupying the room between those days."

There is a room service receipt from that room, with the shooters name printed on it, saying the number of "occupants:2", dated 27th. If the Sheriff is under the belief that the shooter was not occupying the room between the 25th and the 28th, then who was? It doesn't make sense.

??

I understand that an investigation is dynamic and the known facts can be ever changing. But come on, get your shit together.

Just so we're clear. I am not a conspiracy guy. Although the shock value has worn off and I now just roll my eyes, it used to piss me off to hear all the "inside job" and "false flag" crap about 9/11, and the Sandy Hook shooting. I realize the sensitive nature in even discussing the Las Vegas shooting, especially this close to the date of the event. I apologize if I am offending anyone. I am just curious what some of you guys who I know think about the various inconsistencies in the official narrative.
 

Farview

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I have work friends that were in the building at the time it happened (We work for a company that works in various hotels and convention centers on the strip), and everything is very fuzzy. I expect the timeline to change again.

There were people hiding in stairwells and electrical closets for up to 8 hours after the attack was over. That building is gigantic and it is very easy for people not to have any idea what is going on 100 yards from them. Between panic, confusion and possible differences in the clocks on different systems, 'time' becomes a relative term.

One of my employees has a police scanner and was listening that night. There were calls about an active shooter at over a half dozen properties, some almost two miles away. Police had to show up at all of them to investigate. The whole thing was a confusing nightmare for everyone in a two mile radius. Is it any wonder that stories conflict and change?
 

andrushkiwt

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..."we're trying to confirm his actions between the 25th and the 28th."

Did you not see this? He's telling you they are still working on gathering information. There is no official report. You're taking news conferences to be something official. This is the press wanting information before it is gathered and verified. They understand they have to give ppl something, because Americans are impatient, so there's going to be conflicting data here and there.

Patience grasshopper.
 

Mick Doobie

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I hope your friends and work associates all made out okay with no lasting complications.

Yeah, i've read about all the reports of active shooters in other locations, listened to some of the police scanner recordings as well. I get that things can change, but i'm not one of the belief that there were multiple shooters at other locations. Not at this time.

But what of the seemingly simple task of determining when the shooter checked into the hotel? The change in the timeline of check-in from the 28th to the 25th, while at the same time expressing the opinion that the shooter did not in fact occupy the room between the 25th and the 28th? How does one reconcile that there was a valet receipt on the 27th, with the shooter's name plainly printed on the receipt? I understand the "Occupants: 2" on the receipt may have been a simple mistake, or an assumption that the food being ordered was more than one person would normally consume in one sitting. However that is a lot of food, most being the type one would normally eat while still warm. Multiple beverages. But according to the Sheriff's belief, the shooter was not occupying the room at that time?

Is there any wonder many many people are questioning what the hell is going on with the investigation, and/or doubting the honesty? Many people who are far from conspiracy theorist types are mind-fucked by the seemingly incompetence of the thus far investigation, or the seeming reluctance to be honestly forth coming.

I've heard it boasted that there are so many cameras in Las Vegas, they could count the hairs on your head. There has to be miles of video tape on the shooter, he frequented Las Vegas. None has yet to be released to the public. How many days following the attacks on 9/11 were there tapes released which showed the hijackers going through boarding at the airport? It has been over a week, yet not one single video frame of the shooter in Las Vegas has been released, not that I am aware of. He was there, apparently. A picture was leaked of him laying on the floor dead, in the hotel room....carpet pattern matches the hotel room.

I don't know, I hope I am wrong, but something just doesn't seem right.

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I have work friends that were in the building at the time it happened (We work for a company that works in various hotels and convention centers on the strip), and everything is very fuzzy. I expect the timeline to change again.

There were people hiding in stairwells and electrical closets for up to 8 hours after the attack was over. That building is gigantic and it is very easy for people not to have any idea what is going on 100 yards from them. Between panic, confusion and possible differences in the clocks on different systems, 'time' becomes a relative term.

One of my employees has a police scanner and was listening that night. There were calls about an active shooter at over a half dozen properties, some almost two miles away. Police had to show up at all of them to investigate. The whole thing was a confusing nightmare for everyone in a two mile radius. Is it any wonder that stories conflict and change?

I think you are 100% correct! 8 or 9 years ago, our neighborhood had a turf war going on with MS 13. Around 3am our front door was kicked in by a swat team. After 10 mins of them ripping my house apart, they realized they had the wrong address. While in the moment, I was beyond pissed. Both myself and my wife face down in our own house at gun point. I could have bitten a 16 penny nail in half without my choppers in.

I sat there for three solid hrs putting a plan together to bring as much disgrace to the local PD as one could do. 4 hrs later the Police Chief as well as the senior member of the swat team came to our door. After telling us they would cover all the damages to our main door, they asked if we could spare 10 mins of our time to just listen. We agreed. 4 hrs later every thing they said to us was on all the local news channels as well as a few of the national networks.

The dispatcher reversed the house number where the offense took place. The fact that humans were involved and the wrong address was given, was simply human error. My wife as well as myself was subject to 20 min of humiliation. The family that just moved into the correct address 6 days prior, were all shot and killed. Two parents along with their three children.

My descent for the Police quickly vanished and my 20 mins of humiliation just did not seem to matter that much any more. It is easy to sit on the side lines and criticize others, when we would would probably do worst, if we were in charge of it to begin with. My 14 year old Granddaughter is just about as sharp as anyone her age, her 20/20 hind sight, is as good as anyone else, five times her age!
 
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I think you are 100% correct! 8 or 9 years ago, our neighborhood had a turf war going on with MS 13. Around 3am our front door was kicked in by a swat team. After 10 mins of them ripping my house apart, they realized they had the wrong address. While in the moment, I was beyond pissed. Both myself and my wife face down in our own house at gun point. I could have bitten a 16 penny nail in half without my choppers in.

I sat there for three solid hrs putting a plan together to bring as much disgrace to the local PD as one could do. 4 hrs later the Police Chief as well as the senior member of the swat team came to our door. After telling us they would cover all the damages to our main door, they asked if we could spare 10 mins of our time to just listen. We agreed. 4 hrs later every thing they said to us was on all the local news channels as well as a few of the national networks.

The dispatcher reversed the house number where the offense took place. The fact that humans were involved and the wrong address was given, was simply human error. My wife as well as myself was subject to 20 min of humiliation. The family that just moved into the correct address 6 days prior, were all shot and killed. Two parents along with their three children.

My descent for the Police quickly vanished and my 20 mins of humiliation just did not seem to matter that much any more. It is easy to sit on the side lines and criticize others, when we would would probably do worst, if we were in charge of it to begin with. My 14 year old Granddaughter is just about as sharp as anyone her age, her 20/20 hind sight, is as good as anyone else, five times her age!

Not sure what that has to do with snow globes but ok?
 
Not sure what that has to do with snow globes but ok?

I quoted @Fairview not you. As far as snow globes go, that was what we did in the late 70's when someone would eat a 1/4 inch of toothpaste right before someone loaded a 1/4 gram of co*e into a straw and blew it into your mouth.:eatpopcorn:
 

Mick Doobie

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Uh huh.

I'm not a conspiracy guy either but the agenda of globalist pigs pushing the concept of a "round" earth just to sell snow globes is infuriating.

lol @...that's pretty damn good. Thanks for the laugh.

All kidding aside, i'm with you on that, brother. 100%

edit: actually about 98%. The other 2% thinks it's bullshit. It's just what they want you to believe.

Bob Dylan said, "All is phony." My guess is, either he's on to something, or in on it. Probably both. It all gets quite confusing. Isn't that the point?
 
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I quoted @Fairview not you. As far as snow globes go, that was what we did in the late 70's when someone would eat a 1/4 inch of toothpaste right before someone loaded a 1/4 gram of co*e into a straw and blew it into your mouth.:eatpopcorn:

Haha. I used to do that. I mean, I still do, but I used to, too.
 

kickingtone

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I'm not passing judgement. It just seems odd. How could the official timeline as to when Camos was wounded been released to the public, yet been so wrong?

Opinions?

Official timeline will evolve. Nothing unusual about that. It is based on various accounts, include accounts from the public.

Now..in terms of motive...

I wonder how much money gets laundered through casinos. You know, someone with ill-gotten gains agrees to blow all their money through the casino in return for a lucrative off account cut, which they can make appear to come from some other venture, like say real estate?

Now, in such a situation as this mass shooting, a casino/resort will face a chain of very expensive lawsuits for lax security, and have investigators rake over its affairs. Could that possibility have been a threat used by a desperate madman to try to hold a casino to some deal? It is conjecture, but it just seems to make all the odd facts fit.

I smell big, big money, and I don't think the facts will come out easily.
 

Farview

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The money laundering thing was more probable when the mob ran the casinos. Now it's just a couple big companies that own most of the properties on the strip. (MGM and Caesars) Mandalay Bay is an MGM property.

Most of what people thing goes on in Vegas, hasn't gone on here for a pretty long time. Hell, you are hard pressed to find a show with topless showgirls. Most of the shows are circ du soleil...
 

Mick Doobie

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Oh yeah, there will be major lawsuits. Major.

I know this sounds crazy, and it'll probably be tl;dr..

Shooter did some serious work setting up cameras. 60 minutes interviewed the first guys to enter the hotel room. Among the normal stuff they would expect to find, they also found multiple drills, a lot of tools, laptops and monitors, electrical equipment. Of course even before the interview it'd already been released that he had rigged cameras. Makes you wonder, though. I mean, that is going to be one busy asshole. Shooting, changing weapons, reloading, going from room to room, window to window, avoiding falling out of the windows he broke 23 floors up in a hotel room. One busy operation for a 64 yr old semi frail looking guy. It didn't really make total sense to me. How is he going to keep on eye on the monitors he went through extreme trouble to setup to monitor anyone coming to put a end to his killing spree? Is it possible that someone was remotely monitoring? He's shooting, someone else outside the hotel room is monitoring the cameras?

The guy who did the 60 minutes interview went on the CBS This Morning show. He had just recently had exclusive access to the first guys to enter the room.

Charlie Rose, "How did they find him?"

Bill Whitaker, "Well there was a security guard at the hotel who was responding to a door ajar alarm. And he walked near the door. The shooter had cameras setup, and they believe they saw the security guy coming in and opened fire"

He said they, "they saw the security guy coming and opened fire." Now, he may have misspoke. I mean, he most certainly did. But in what fashion? He had just had exclusive access to the first guys to enter the room. Access on the record, and off the record. Is it possible that those guys said something that would make him come to a conclusion, or is it possible he came to a conclusion on his own, "they saw"? He slipped and misspoke? Or, maybe he simply misspoke-misspoke? I don't know, i'm leaning towards someone else was monitoring the cameras. It really doesn't make total sense otherwise.

I know, i'm a nut. But....

segment quoted above starts at 2:32

 
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kickingtone

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The money laundering thing was more probable when the mob ran the casinos. Now it's just a couple big companies that own most of the properties on the strip. (MGM and Caesars) Mandalay Bay is an MGM property.

"More probable" is not really relevant. The fact is that it happens, and volumes are likely to be much larger than they used to be.

The days when casinos would be directly involved in crimes like drug trafficking may be over, but the days when criminals go to casinos to launder money are very much still here.

Feds target casino money laundering | Local news | tucson.com

Money laundering -- the process by which criminals get rid of bills that can be tied to a crime by trading them for money that has not been used for illicit purposes -- is big business in the United States. The U.S. Treasury estimates the total at $300 billion a year, including $64 billion laundered by drug traffickers. There is no way to know how much of that money is laundered at casinos or through banks, liquor stores, bars or taxi companies.

Federal regulators are giving renewed scrutiny to casinos across the country and levying multimillion-dollar fines for not having sufficient controls in place.

And the controls are "risk based", so they can be in place and fail due to chance. Regulating casinos is as difficult (probably more so) than regulating bank lending, which went through a couple of decades of overhaul and is still very shaky. Casino controls have not been overhauled.
 

kickingtone

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[MENTION=1690]md[/MENTION] Very likely a Freudian slip. It doesn't mean that he is hiding the official line, but his own personal instinct may be conflicting with the official line, and it has come out subconscioulsy. Or it could be a genuine slip of the tongue.
 
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