WWLaidback
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There were only a few antifa guys there.
They were released the next day.
The worst provocateurs worked for somebody else, and they did NOT go to jail, nor were they even charged.
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They were released the next day.
The worst provocateurs worked for somebody else, and they did NOT go to jail, nor were they even charged.
Dave Matthews
Dave's not here
If I was in his mind I'd have an insurrection as well...
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Mitakuye Oyasin
Dave Matthews
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FIFY...You are the all-knowing, all-seeing master of time, space, and dementia.
leddy
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I wonder if he’ll answer this one.Regardless of whether or not Trump is guilty of inciting the insurrection by the letter of the law, he sure appears guilty of criminal conspiracy with respect to his fake elector activities.
I wonder why several people involved with the scheme asked Trump for pardons…
leddy
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Care to substantiate this?
leddy
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If Trump didn’t want the insurrection to happen, why didn’t he quickly make a statement to stop?
Took him 1 hour and 39 minutes to tweet a statement asking them to be peaceful from the moment they began getting violent.
Damning Timeline Of Trump Tweets And Calls On January 6th
I originally prepared this timeline in response to someone who claimed Trump ‘immediately” condemned the violence on January 6th. That’s false. Throughout the riot, and even into the night, Trump endorsed it, egged it on and even as it ended justified...
m.dailykos.com
leddy
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You’re incorrect.
Proud Boys leader Tarrio, four others, charged with seditious conspiracy
The U.S. rarely charges suspects with seditious conspiracy, a very serious crime defined as two or more people conspiring to overthrow or destroy the government
www.npr.org
WWLaidback
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I meant to say BLM. John Sullivan was arrested and released the next day.
He had some others with him.
I already provided videos on Ray Eps.
I don't know who he works for.
Here it is again, the guy never went to jail, and everybody knows about him.
Not a word about it from the Jan 6 committee.
WWLaidback
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okay, that is a june 6 update, and 4 proud boys were charged.You’re incorrect.
Proud Boys leader Tarrio, four others, charged with seditious conspiracy
The U.S. rarely charges suspects with seditious conspiracy, a very serious crime defined as two or more people conspiring to overthrow or destroy the government
I'll update my point.
Isn't it odd that only 4 people are charged with seditious conspiracy out of 865 arrests and still counting as IBB said?
Ray Eps is seen on video shouting "tomorrow we go in" all over the capitol grounds.
Why wasn't he arrested and charged the same as the proud boys?
WWLaidback
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WWLaidback
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If the DC Mayor, and the chief of police did NOT want an insurrection then ditto for the national guard.
Ray Eps shouted "tomorrow we go in", and the captitol police are NOT trained for riot control.
They knew it was coming, but did nothing. Why?
Then after the violence started, Why did it take an hour to get approval?
Like I said before the timeline doesn't add up, and the decision-making doesn't add up.
In the critical minutes before rioters had breached the Capitol building around 2 p.m., the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police force and the mayor of Washington, D.C., put out urgent requests for guard backup. But it took more than an hour to get formal approval for their deployment, and then nearly three more hours for the first guard reinforcements to arrive.
Timeline of National Guard Deployment to Capitol - FactCheck.org
On the day of the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, the first National Guard members arrived to assist at about 5:40 p.m. Here, we present a timeline about the efforts to deploy those troops.
www.factcheck.org
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leddy
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Seditious conspiracy is difficult to prosecute, and it’s charged very rarely. Not a lot of prosecutors with experience to do it. I listened to a documentary on it and it was pretty interesting.
Ray Eps reportedly never entered the capitol.
leddy
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The president would have full authority to deploy the guard. He didn’t do it quickly. From your own link:If the DC Mayor, and the chief of police did NOT want an insurrection then ditto for the national guard.
Ray Eps shouted "tomorrow we go in", and the captitol police are NOT trained for riot control.
They knew it was coming, but did nothing. Why?
Then after the violence started, Why did it take an hour to get approval?
Like I said before the timeline doesn't add up, and the decision-making doesn't add up.
In the critical minutes before rioters had breached the Capitol building around 2 p.m., the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police force and the mayor of Washington, D.C., put out urgent requests for guard backup. But it took more than an hour to get formal approval for their deployment, and then nearly three more hours for the first guard reinforcements to arrive.
Timeline of National Guard Deployment to Capitol - FactCheck.org
On the day of the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, the first National Guard members arrived to assist at about 5:40 p.m. Here, we present a timeline about the efforts to deploy those troops.
But Trump’s claim that he acted quickly is contradicted by news reports citing unnamed sources who say the president initially resisted efforts to bring in the National Guard at the outset of the Capitol riot.
The New York Times, citing unnamed Defense Department officials, said it was Vice President Mike Pence, not Trump, who approved deployment of the D.C. National Guard that afternoon. The Times also cited a “person with knowledge of the events” who said Trump “initially rebuffed and resisted requests to mobilize the National Guard “and that the “mobilization was initiated with the help of Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel, among other officials.”
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leddy
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In fact, one of the defense department officials slowing the response of the guard was the brother of Michael Flynn.
www.nbcnews.com
D.C. National Guard chief: Pentagon took 3 hours to greenlight troops during Capitol assault
One of the military leaders who advised against deploying troops was Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, the brother of ex-Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, the Guard chief said.
www.nbcnews.com
Cheesehead1
Not even trying
How easy it must be to rationalize your views when everything that goes against them is conveniently part of a "conspiracy".
WWLaidback
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Do you think he wanted the rioters to take over the capitol building and kill his republican majority in congress, along with Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, etc.?
I don't think so. I don't think he wanted that at all.
Again, I have to ask, why weren't they protected from the rioters?
WWLaidback
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It wasn't enough delay to make a difference, as you say the same about election fraud, because the fact is that the guard was 3 hours late after that, and much too late to help.In fact, one of the defense department officials slowing the response of the guard was the brother of Michael Flynn.
D.C. National Guard chief: Pentagon took 3 hours to greenlight troops during Capitol assault
One of the military leaders who advised against deploying troops was Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, the brother of ex-Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, the Guard chief said.
I love how you cancel your own points.
Looks like Flynn wasn't alone. Did they conspire? Contact Mr. Schiff immediately!
but the senior military leaders who were on the call said it was their best advice not to have uniformed Guardsmen on the Capitol grounds.
Walker identified those senior leaders as Gen. Walter Piatt and Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn
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