2x12, 4x12, what you like?

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Just wondering what everyones preference is and why on cab configs. Currently i'm just using a Framus 2x12 with my Peavey 3120, but eventually i'd like to add the Framus 4x12 under it to make a sort of 6x12. The closed back nature of the 2x12 means hearing it is sometimes as issue. PLus a 6x12 would look awesome.
 
Both of my guitar players use a 4x12 and 2x12 combined. I guess it's like a 3/4 stack. They're very loud. :D

They sound really great though, if you want rip your face off rock guitar sound.
 
Greg_L said:
Both of my guitar players use a 4x12 and 2x12 combined. I guess it's like a 3/4 stack. They're very loud. :D

They sound really great though, if you want rip your face off rock guitar sound.
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Awesome! Untill we get a van its just not an option unfortunately. What i'd REALLY like is an Orange 4x12 + 2x12, but they're so damn expensive.

What brand do your guitarists use Greg?
 
chamelious said:
Awesome! Untill we get a van its just not an option unfortunately. What i'd REALLY like is an Orange 4x12 + 2x12, but they're so damn expensive.

What brand do your guitarists use Greg?
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One guy uses a custom Diamond head and matching 4x12 cab with a Mesa 2x12, and the other guy uses a Krank head with a Marshall 1960A 4x12 and a Marshall 2x12. I don't know the specifics, but both rigs have been modded out. They both play Les Pauls usually, with one of them sometimes playing an ES-135. Alone, each rig sounds incredible, and together they're like a choir of rock angels singing at the top of their lungs. It's pretty impressive.
 
Greg_L said:
One guy uses a custom Diamond head and matching 4x12 cab with a Mesa 2x12, and the other guy uses a Krank head with a Marshall 1960A 4x12 and a Marshall 2x12. I don't know the specifics, but both rigs have been modded out. They both play Les Pauls usually, with one of them sometimes playing an ES-135. Alone, each rig sounds incredible, and together they're like a choir of rock angels singing at the top of their lungs. It's pretty impressive.
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Ew. Sorry to say but those Diamond amps sound like dick and sadly so do Kranks in my opinion. Marshall cabs blow too, Mesa's are ok. :)
 
chamelious said:
Just wondering what everyones preference is and why on cab configs. Currently i'm just using a Framus 2x12 with my Peavey 3120, but eventually i'd like to add the Framus 4x12 under it to make a sort of 6x12. The closed back nature of the 2x12 means hearing it is sometimes as issue. PLus a 6x12 would look awesome.
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Really depends on what you're playing in my opinion. I personally think a quality 2x12 is enough for all situations. They tend to sound better recorded as well as the resonance inside the cabinet is smoother due to the dimensions. With that said I've never owned a 2x12 :drunk:
 
chamelious said:
What i'd REALLY like is an Orange 4x12 + 2x12, but they're so damn expensive...
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IMHO, there is no magic in one brand of 4X12 cab, vs. another. If you have:
1. a dense cabinet material (plywood, OSB, fiberboard, solid pine,)
2. A proven interior space and dim's,
3. The same, and good drivers,
4. Good tight joints,

No matter WHO'S name is squeezed between the speaker grills, it's gonna sound the same. So, why spend the extra dough for a name?
 
recordman said:
Ew. Sorry to say but those Diamond amps sound like dick and sadly so do Kranks in my opinion. Marshall cabs blow too, Mesa's are ok. :)
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Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion. You're wrong as fuck, but you can still have your opinion. ;)
 
Greg_L said:
Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion. You're wrong as fuck, but you can still have your opinion. ;)
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That's why I said its my opinion. But in all seriousness the Diamond amps I've seen are based on a pretty generic circuit. And Kranks sound like fizzy carbonation. And Marshall 1960A cabs have G12T75's which are just atrocious for live use. I'm guessing if you stand on axis with either of your guitarists rigs you will be nailed with a can of bee's and/or loose all your high frequency hearing. By the way the tones I use while recording are no where near the tones I use for live use. Darker the better live.
 
stevieb said:
IMHO, there is no magic in one brand of 4X12 cab, vs. another. If you have:
1. a dense cabinet material (plywood, OSB, fiberboard, solid pine,)
2. A proven interior space and dim's,
3. The same, and good drivers,
4. Good tight joints,

No matter WHO'S name is squeezed between the speaker grills, it's gonna sound the same. So, why spend the extra dough for a name?
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I marginally disagree. First of all "plywood, OSB, fiberboard, solid pine" are NOT acceptable materials. Plywood is the only acceptable material but there are a lot of different kinds. Domestic plywood from the USA is only 5 or maybe 7 ply pine and intended for sub floors or sheeting on homes, not acceptable for speaker cabinets. Chinese "birch" or other chinese plywoods are not acceptable either. This stuff is manufactured on a ship in the ocean after they cut down random trees from wherever they can find. Chinese "birch" plywood has NO BIRCH in it at all! It's all softwood core with some veneer that looks ok but isn't birch and it's laminated poorly. MDF is an OK building material for other speaker cabinets but not instrument (guitar and bass) cabinets. Particle board is not acceptable in any speaker cabinet.

The only acceptable material is Baltic Birch or a high quality marine grade plywood. There are no exceptions!

Not only that but there are a lot of small things construction wise about a cabinet that can change the characteristics entirely. Bracing, resonance, back panel thickness, baffle thickness, make a drastic difference. For instance a tightly braced cabinet has slower cone breakup, a timid low end and more forward high end. On the other hand one of my 4x12's has a 1/2" baltic birch back (thin) with no bracing and it really sings. The resonant back makes the speakers break up earlier and has thick low end with more timid highs.

All guitar cabinets on the market to day are braced too heavily. It makes them sound stiff and dry. Vintage cabs were constructed pretty flabby and contributed heavily to the colored tone. I am a big fan of intentionally leaving a cabinet very resonant. One draw back though is that the back on my resonant 4x12 converts a lot of acoustical energy into mechanical energy so it can vibrate the head off the top of it on the right notes. :(
 
recordman said:
That's why I said its my opinion. But in all seriousness the Diamond amps I've seen are based on a pretty generic circuit. And Kranks sound like fizzy carbonation. And Marshall 1960A cabs have G12T75's which are just atrocious for live use. I'm guessing if you stand on axis with either of your guitarists rigs you will be nailed with a can of bee's and/or loose all your high frequency hearing. By the way the tones I use while recording are no where near the tones I use for live use. Darker the better live.
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:laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:

Yup, those Marshall cabs that have been used by everyone for over 30 years sure do suck. :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:
 
Greg_L said:
:laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:

Yup, those Marshall cabs that have been used by everyone for over 30 years sure do suck. :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:
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Actually, yes. You apparently have no ear for tone my friend. G12T75's + 3/4" MDF back + baffle-back brace + baffle screwed in = dry, sterile, can of bee's, kill me.

Not a bad cabinet for recording but completely unacceptable for live use.
 
Zaphod B said:
This is simply bullshit.
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I've been building custom cabinets for a long time. You do not want a cabinet constructed out of anything other than baltic birch. It is a very high quality and expensive plywood product for a reason. Every veneer is quality, all voids are filled and it's laminated with exterior rated glue. Everything else is disposable in my eyes.
 
recordman said:
Actually, yes. You apparently have no ear for tone my friend. G12T75's + 3/4" MDF back + baffle-back brace + baffle screwed in = kill me
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Kill you. I like how you insist that your opinion is the only one that matters. :laughings: :laughings:

It still doesn't explain how people that know way more than you, me, and most of us in here have used them for decades with great results. I guess they're all wrong too, huh? :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:
 
Greg_L said:
Kill you. I like how you insist that your opinion is the only one that matters. :laughings: :laughings:

It still doesn't explain how people that know way more than you, me, and most of us in here have used them for decades with great results. I guess they're all wrong too, huh? :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:
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My opinion is the only one that matters.
 
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