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I am just reading, and I think for the most part it has stayed pretty civil. What is the point of discussion if everyone agrees?
 
With regard to the Spain findings....I was VERY clear this was preliminary and that the data was being peer reviewed...time will tell Miro on the other hand didn't imply, he flat out said there was no trail of this virus...so I asked him to back up his words...not possible in the same breathe he turned it and tried to make it seems as though I was 100% saying it came from Spain and to quit blaming China.. Not what I said or implied...just basically saying can you please just STFU with the China conspiracy shit cause we just don't know yet.... ...but whatever.. It's a lot of back n forth and unless you read all the way through...who the fuck wants to do that? and you believe Miro's perspective on me I'm looking like the biased China tree hugger when in fact I'm just saying WE DON'T KNOW and WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF FALSE AND BIASED INFO...just chill and let the experts figure it out and then prognosticate and pontificate to your informed hearts content....

That I do business in China and have a lot of friends and business acquaintances there, does give a broader perspective of what went down there and what is going down there now. They are totally cruisin through this pandemic because they were all over it like a diaper on a babys ass while we blissfully, arrogantly and stupidly went about our more advanced and sophisticated ways of dealing with the virus....I totally call bullshit on the China's lying about the cases and deaths...It is business as usual BECAUSE they played hard ball on controlling it and confining it while we all played patty cake and whined about having to wear a mask in public...lame

China 1.3 billion people......total of 84,000 cases 8 new cases as of today
America 330 million people total of over 3 million cases ....3 months in and 54,000 new cases TODAY!....1 fricking day! so in one day we have more than half of all the cases China has had since January ...

Crazy embarrassing.....and this isn't BS ......My Chinese friends are free to go wherever they want today....all business's are open and the economy is full on...They played hard ball and avoided the catastrophe we are living... we played it soft, warm n fuzzy and are still paying a horrible price for our apathy...and the saga continues...yeah making everyone wear a mask and taking temperatures at all public places and restricting people from travelling is lame ...we showed them.......damn ignorance is bliss...

Oh and to back up those numbers... from worldometer


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TAE, love you man, and i'll read tomorrow with fresh eyes, but that's a little wordy ranty ravey. It doesn't help that you express your desire for Miro to "stfu". But anyway...

Unlike you, I don't know anyone from China. I should say, in China. However. I've limited my viewing of LiveLeak, and certainly on the harder core shit. There you can see things the mainstream press will not show, for good or bad. A lot of stuff there I do not suggest viewing, things once seen sometimes cannot be unseen. What I did see?

Quite a while back my nephew was living with me. Things I saw on LiveLeak I thought he should know, things that were coming, the covid. Coming, some of it. But some, never in this "soft, warm and fuzzy" nation. Apathy? Not for China. Yeah, I saw videos where in China groups of guys in hazmat suits were abducting people against their will off the streets and throwing them into the back of a van. Who knows who those people were, the abducted, or if they were truly covid. Journalists and medical professionals in China have been "disappeared" because according to the government of China they have reported and sounded the alarm wrongly. Kind of a stfu thing, I reckon. That's not my opinion, that is according to those in the know inside China. I don't give a shit what your friends inside China have to say, or their motives. China is not some higher ground we should aspire to.

Frankly, i'm surprised by what you have said.....bordering on disgusted. It provides credence to Miro's suggestion that perhaps because of your business dealings you are biased towards China. But hey, no lines crossed. You think China somehow occupies a higher ground. I do not. China is fucking scum. They caused this shit. They're real compliant and have gotten a handle on this covid thing. Good for them. *spit*

Dude, there is no "China conspiracy shit". The shit came from China. I don't think I have heard anyone other than the government of China say anything different. Could have came from Spain though, yeah? lol

Dude? Wow.

There you go folks. Miro is an asshole, and so is The United States of America. So stfu.
 
In China they were forcing people to stay inside by welding their doors shut. No sir, none of that touchy feely stuff for China. Unlike the US, they're on it! I've heard they burned down covid "infested" buildings with everyone inside. But that's probably just a nasty rumor. They wouldn't do that. Not communist fucking China.
 
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I am just reading, and I think for the most part it has stayed pretty civil. What is the point of discussion if everyone agrees?

Yup.....for sure..........discussion with disagreement is normal, healthy, fun and challenging. I like a good debate. Discourse with excess disdain and insults certainly isn't healthy....especially for this forum as a whole. Think of all the "outsiders" reading these posts and deciding whether or not they want to join the forum.
 
Anyone applauding China’s way of handling this and their overall approach to governing is, in my opinion, a traitor to the concept and exercise of a free society.

Keep buying into the fear peddling, the faked numbers based on extensive testing with faulty inaccurate tests, the padded death numbers, the statements of proven liars like Fauchi......
And before we know it, we’ll have lost forever our country, our economy. We’ll be just like communist China......or maybe WORSE.

America, land of the free, home of the brave. Bullshit! More like land of the sheep, home of the slave.
 
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One thing hing this thread has for sure brought out, is the extreme division in this country. One can certainly tell what side of the fence people are on.

For example, the last post..... I think is a ridiculous statement. But hey, he’s entitled to believe that, as I am mine.

But..... in the grand scheme of things, we do all need to come together and put the focus on our real enemies.... and it ain’t the covid.

The communist (globalist) takeover plan is working brilliantly so far.

But hey, it’s all good. Amazon stock is 3k a share. Glad some are getting rich out of this.
(Insert sarcasm in case you didn't see it in my wording)
 
The communist (globalist) takeover plan is working brilliantly so far.
It certainly appears that way considering the fact that 53 nation members of the United Nations are supportive of China's efforts to suppress freedom in Hong Kong.
List Of 53 Countries That Support China's Hong Kong National Security Law

Trump decided to withdraw from the WHO. A good decision, imo.

Perhaps the U.S. should also withdraw from the U.N. and evict the U.N.

And then use the building for something constructive. It would be a good place to house all of the statues that are being torn down.

Sorry for the rant.

In the meantime, this virus is here for who knows how long. And we should all take every precaution to avoid it.

On another note, I have had the pleasure of sharing PMs with Miro, RFR, and TAE for the past few weeks. Although I might not always agree with them......I know one thing for certain. They are honorable men who have one thing in common......love of the United States.
 
I am thankful for this pandemic, whether real or fake. I know, you say, WTF. But far too many people were a sleep. We were all sitting around, fat dumb and happy. Not things are in our face. Most of the world is awake. We in the US are more open about our differences, but if you look, most of all of the countries are being stirred.

I am not sure how this will all turn out, but many eyes are open, and people are starting to have to make decisions. Not necessarily take sides, but they are having to wake up.

It has been a long sleep for many, some have never been awake, but I think light is being shined in the room.
 
Most of the world is awake.

It has been a long sleep for many, some have never been awake, but I think light is being shined in the room.

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Good post. I took the liberty of selective quoting of your post. Items that I feel are very important

Now what we do with that state of awakening is up to us.

Literally or figuratively we are in world war three.

Population control and reduction has been openly talked about by prominent billionaires.

The UN has brought up global governance

Agenda 21 is no secret, many nations have signed on to it’s agenda which is openly published by the UN

Our own politicians have openly called for a socialist government ( which is just a ‘nice’ term for communism) The most notable being Bernie Sanders.

The World economic forum is openly calling for this pandemic to be used to fundamentally change the world.... a ‘reset’

Elimination of real money and converting to ‘digital cash’ is called for.

Trillions are being dumped into the world for ‘covid relief’ , yet the vast majority is going to mega multinational corporations.

Corporations worldwide are rolling out high tech surveillance technology so fast that it could make one think it was developed years ago.

The US government can now legally access anyone’s internet history without a warrant.

Contact tracing apps have been installed onto people’s phones without their consent.

While defunding the WHO, which in the surface seems to be a good thing, the Trump administration has funded Gates’s Global vaccine alliance with more money than the WHO ever got.

Gates is calling for worldwide vaccinations before we can get back to normal. He’s also calling for a digital vaccine certificate.

The guy’s not even a doctor! Just a guy with money.

Essentially we’re already in a world government . The Gates’s, The CDC, the WHO are running the show.

Censorship of free speech has never been as rampant as today.

China is being held up by many as a role model.

The government continually talks about ‘Public and Private partnerships’ . Thats fascism. The merging of government and private entities ruling us.

And..... there are forces literally destroying our history.

This is one of the first things a conqueror does.
Destroys the history.
Oh, while they’re at it destroying statues and monuments, why not tear down the Georgia Guide-stones? You know, the one’s advocating for severe population reduction.
Oh no! Bet they don’t dare touch that one!

Yeah, I’d say we’re in world war III. But it’s a war against the people of the earth

So, more people are waking up.... that’s good.
However, what we gonna do with that?
We’re really good at fighting with each other. But divide and conquer is an age old battle tactic.

We have to come together, and in unity, fight back against our real enemies.

Until that happens our future is bleak.
 
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TAE, love you man

Back at ya Mick...

On China dude in no way am I endorsing the power and the strictness of how they handle things on certain matters. I know first hand the fear of toeing the line or paying the price....I surely don't have the answer as to what the nirvana government would be and I have always felt as I traveled the world..The USA isn't perfect but it's the best game going...or at least until recent years it was.....right now we're a hot mess with the political and racial division..hidden self serving agendas.. that said..

What I am pointing out above is that because the Chinese government in this case said...STFU this is national emergency just as if they were being bombed. We have an enemy and you folks in Wuhan have been exposed to it and you aren't going anywhere until we get this shit under wraps...then they set and implemented strict guidelines at what is the most Happy and Joyous time of the year...Chinese New Year / Spring festival...The whole country is in party mode for 3 weeks and they said....NOPE here's the rules and like it or not because it WAS (past tense FWIW) a real national emergency the people of China complied...My Chinese partners factory workers were not able to come back to the factory after the holiday for weeks and when they did .....each and every one of them had to be quarantined for 2 weeks (on his dime) before they could actually go back to work....
Mask were immediately mandatory...only the most necessary of business were allowed to operate and anywhere where people congregated in public there temperatures were taken...you had a temperature you were immediately told to go get tested and stay in quarantine until you are cleared. We are still not taking temperatures at most public places... just pathetic...

The results speak for themselves but somehow most folks can look at those numbers and say that China was too strict....I suspect most any one who has been a victim of this virus would disagree...especially the ones who have died....but hey we have our rights left...or so we think.
 
Well, going back (and possibly beating that dead horse)...

Now I wasn't there in airports and such, I can only go by what I have heard and read. The government of China knew something was up, a potential pandemic on the rise. Yet, they allowed Chinese New Year celebrations and gatherings to occur. People travel back to their place of birth, or whatever. Thousands upon thousands in Wuhan, the epicenter. And the gov't knew it. A big banquet with everyone sharing dishes, with chopsticks. Some of those people traveled from and back to the US. Yes, President Trump tried to put the best spin on things, likely to prevent panic or overreaction. But, he did place travel restrictions from China. Not on US citizens, because, well, they're US citizens and I don't reckon it would be right, or even legal. During that same period China was taking action, and shutting down travel from Wuhan to other parts of China. HOWEVER, they did not shut down travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world. They took steps to conceal or downplay the severity of the situation. They were punishing and "disappearing" doctors and journalists who were not toeing the line. I saw vids on LiveLeak of guys in hazmat suits forcefully abducting people off the streets and throwing them into the back of a van. Welding apartment buildings shut. There was one video with subtitles of a very upset woman describing a whole apartment building being burned to the ground. It wasn't clear if was the citizens who did it, or the gov't.

During that same period, back here in the US. Democrats were calling Trump racist and xenophobic for shutting down travel from China. Pelosi and DeBlasio, in San Fran and NYC, they're down at Chinese New Year celebrations in those cities emphatically saying everything is perfectly fine, come on down. There were warm-n-fuzzy exhortations to hug a Chinese to....virtue signal that you're not racist or xenophobic, like our "racist" President Trump. These same democrats later said Trump did not shut down travel enough and still allowed thousands of people to travel from China. You know, those US citizens traveling from China. It is madness. That coupled with other things we are now experiencing, the left has gone mad. Many on the so-called right are being revealed as not being on the right at all. Others on the right are going along because they are cowards. The inmates have taken over the asylum.

As far as could we be doing more? The temperature thing might not be a bad idea, maybe. But that doesn't address the asymptomatic who will have no temperature. That could also possibly give the powers that be empowerment to employ those hazmat suit guys to abduct people off the street, disappearing the problematic. Who is going to stop them, it's for everyone's own good, including the abductee. Does that sound crazy, could never happen? Of course not, it would be ridiculous to think a government would overstep when acting in the best interest of the country and the collective, for our own good.

China? F*ck China. Never knew until now that upwards of 80% of our pharmaceuticals come from China, have been outsourced to China. 80%. Who thought that was a good idea or allowed that? It's national security shit. Then this shit hits and they threaten to cutoff shipments to the US. We've sold our souls, our economy, potentially our health, and yes, our country for a $500 50" TV. We're all complicit. What're we gonna do about it now? Business as usual?

Anyway. Hope your health is well, or as good as could be expected. Hang in there and keep on keeping on....but perhaps not with China. China is not our friend, friend.
 
More, while I got a minute....

China, the Chinese people. Now, if we can generalize about Americans, we can also generalize about others. I'v mentioned LiveLeak. There, for instance, in Brazil it's the "off duty cop". Video after video of bad guys being thwarted getting their just deserts by off duty cops there. Again and again. Stereotypes are often stereotypes for a reason, they hold at least some truth. In China, they're cold people, little empathy towards humanity, it appears. For instance, and it appears to be a pattern. Old man on a bicycle gets side swiped by a car. Car doesn't stop and keeps going. The old man lays sprawled in the street, arms outstretched seemingly begging for help. People just walk by. Some look, but only at a glance, turn away keep walking. Cars swerve around the old guy until eventually one splatters the poor guy dead. Doesn't stop, just keeps going. Finally people gather around, to gawk. I've seen such scenarios time and time again on LiveLeak, vids from China.

Monkey with his head sticking through the center of a dinner table, scull open revealing his brain, still alive and conscious. It's what's for dinner, they have it in China.

Those wet markets. It's as close to a lab experiment outside of a lab. Animals that never experience each other in the wild. Stacked in cages on top of one another. Breathing the same air, pooping on one another. Live and dead what we would consider pets here in the US. Stacks of them, live and frightened out of their wits in cages. Piles of meat of some sort, flies flying all around, no refrigeration. Delicacies, there.

A journalist, author I respect a great deal who isn't prone to conspiracy theories wrote an interesting piece. In the piece he put together the pieces of a puzzle, some of those pieces based on interviews from people inside of China. He wasn't committed the premise, but evidence strongly suggests that this covid thing came from the lab in Wuhan. He didn't totally dismiss that it "accidentally" escaped the lab. What was more likely? You would think people who work in a medical lab make decent money to sustain a comfortable living. Not in China. People who he talked to inside China wre strongly leaning towards someone taking animals that were no longer useful for testing and/or possibly dead from the lab to the wet markets to sell, to supplement their income.

The guy's name is Victor Davis Hanson. Well respected sober guy, i'd suggest giving him a read if you ever come across one of his columns.
 
Monkey with his head sticking through the center of a dinner table, scull open revealing his brain, still alive and conscious. It's what's for dinner, they have it in China.

Oh Dude you haven't lived until you've eaten still pulsing fresh monkey brain while the monkey is sitting in the middle of the table shrieking...It's the "in thing" to do... I have heard tell of this culinary experience, never seen a video of such an event nor would I want to see it. 13 years in going to China and probably a year+ of it traveling all over that place and never once have I seen monkey meat being displayed,offered or served...It may happen but it has to be a rarity and in a very primitive remote village somewhere..... I've been in several remote villages and snakes and birds of all sorts, frogs...I kept hearing about dog and cat but discovered most Chinese don't eat them it is a very regional thing happening mostly in the North East near Korea...It wasn't until about 2 years ago that I actually saw skinned dog being sold in an open air market ...pretty freaky but then again Vegetarians think we are are twisted beast eating any animal.

With regard to the big Chinese buffet and chop sticks.. The "experts" at the CDC say Currently, there is no evidence that food is associated with spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.
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You may want to review how it is transmitted here
 
I couldn't watch the live monkey brain eating either, just the opening segment. Appeared to be a decent restaurant setting, middle to upper class. Everyone looked like they were having a joyous time, except the monkey, of course.

Dogs (and cats) have been breed and domesticated from wild animals over the ages to be companions to humans. They dig us. Seems on the extreme side to betray them with such harsh traumatizing treatment and then eat them. It's kind of barbaric when there are other options. I mean, have you ever seen those chinese wet markets, rat kabobs galore, I tell ya. Admittedly i'm kind of biased. Some of my best friends have been dogs, one of which is staring a hole through me right now. He looks hungry for a snack. Hm.

Maybe i'll read some of your link later. They have something in there about there being no danger of spreading covid while gathered together and sharing food with several thousand chopstick wielding chinese new year revelers? Well color me shocked!

I know, man. Stomach enzymes or whatever kills the virus. But are we really going to go there? Are we really going to minimize the shit that likely came out of the Wuhan new year celebrations and spread around the world? The CDC might say there is no evidence of covid being spread through food. Any mention on their stance, good, bad, or a wash whether several thousand people repeatedly taking turns poking shit with chopsticks in between sticking those same chopsticks in their Chop Suey holes? No big deal?

Just to head it off, I realize there's nothing authentically Chinese about Chop Suey, unlike the covid. Chop suey is an American invention. Again, unlike the covid.
 
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Are we really going to minimize the shit that likely came out of the Wuhan new year celebrations and spread around the world?

See that's the crazy thing...you like so many are coming off with attitudes against China like they were reckless or evil...Dude they were under attack just like us...No one wanted to have this damn virus in their world...and just like the rest of the world ...the powers that be there don't want to cause panic ...so yeah there were a few cases of this weird bug popping up in Wuhan area in November and December but was it so weird and dangerous they needed to do more than they did? Easy to Monday morning quarterback and throw stones.... They were as clueless as all the countries that have gotten were....and then after much trepidation and thought the powers that be said...damn this shit is serious we need to play hard ball now and BOOM on January 23rd it was the end of the wqrld as they knew it in Wuhan FYI.........Chinese New year started on January 25th... and from this April article from London's "Evening Standard" here's a little clarity on this situation When was Wuhan put on lockdown?
It pales in comparison to the scale of the crisis now, but Wuhan had 540 officially confirmed cases and 17 deaths when it closed to the world.

The city of 11 million people entered lockdown at 10am local time on January 23, with residents confined to their houses and transport networks shut.
so there's goes that theory cause Wuhan was locked down 2 days before Chinese New year and trust me no one was partying anywhere in Wuhan other than inside their own homes......I know people who were there ... So it wasn't because of some big ass party...that it started... ...think like this do you think if we had 600 reported cases and 17 deaths in LA do you think Ol Governor Newsom would have locked down LA? HELL NO! We have rights! and had it started in California would we be hating on California?..I can assure you Cali would have never pulled off what they pulled off in Wuhan in the blink of an eye...we're still a hot mess 5 months in...The wet market blame...is unsupported...clearly the Chinese New Year thing is a wet blanket...yes we know the first major outbreaks started there...that's it ...the how's and why's at this juncture are yet to be determined including patient zero ...to point fingers , expect apologies for something that certainly no other country did a better job of handling IMO is pretty twisted biased thinking...but I'm just playing the devils advocate here...Them damn monkey brain eating, bat barbecuing creepos are evil...it's all their fault....the word scapegoat does however come to mind ...
 
FYI.........Chinese New year started on January 25th...

The city of 11 million people entered lockdown at 10am local time on January 23, with residents confined to their houses and transport networks shut....so there's goes that theory cause Wuhan was locked down 2 days before Chinese New year and trust me no one was partying anywhere in Wuhan other than inside their own homes......So it wasn't because of some big ass party...that it started...clearly the Chinese New Year thing is a wet blanket.

I don't know man, that's a mess of a post. Anyway, i'll try.

There was indeed a "big ass party" in Wuhan as part of the Chinese New Year. I've seen videos of it. It would be and is an easy thing to search to find whether true or not, and the date. The banquet was held on Jan. 19th as part of the Chinese New Year celebrations. Thousands attended. The Chinese gov't knew they were dealing with something nasty, a burgeoning pandemic. They already knew that, but allowed this huge banquet to happen. How do we know they knew? Because they shut the place down a mere 4 days later? Hard shut down after many of those who attended the banquet may have fanned back out to other areas of China, or perhaps even other countries, including the US. And it is a fact, they cut off travel from Wuhan to other parts of China, but not international flights.

China shuts down celebrations on the 23rd, great, no problem. Just catch a flight from Wuhan and attend celebrations in the US, or return to the US after attending the banquet in Wuhan. Nearly a month of celebrations in the US starting the 25th of Jan. Pelosi and DeBlasio will be happy to have you.

All of these numbers coming from the Chinese press, which is really from the state, Commy China news, please. Half of this thread is about what lies we may or may not be being told in a free society, with a supposed free press. I'm not going to look back to see, but I don't doubt you yourself have expressed doubt in what we are being told from our own government and press. Yet you seem so anxious to take every word coming from the gov't (and gov't press) of China. You want to praise their handling of the situation. I mean, great, your friends in China think they handled it wonderfully. But it is not hard to find other versions that are not so pleasant. Abducting people off the street against their will and throwing them into the back of a van. Welding the doors shut on apartment buildings so no one can leave. Burning an entire covid infested building down with everyone trapped inside. "Admonishing" journalists and medical professionals who are sounding the alarm that some terrible shit is going around. "Disappearing" people. One prominent physician who was sounding the alarm, yeah, he came down with the covid and died. Damn the luck. I tell you what, someone who is a pain in the ass? Get some guys in hazmat suits, abduct that person off the street and throw him in the back of a van with a few covid positives. Drive that van around the block a few times at a fair clip, and everybody got the covid. Damn the luck!

I don't know dude, seems you're going a bit all-in in aligning yourself and supporting some bad players. A lil bit.
 
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According to the numbers you have provided, TAE, and i'll take your word for it.

Wuhan, China started experiencing this weird little virus thing November-December of 2019. They shut things down, hard shutdown inside Wuhan, January 23rd 2020. At the time of the shutdown they had 540 confirmed cases. So, roughly two months, 540 cases at the epicenter, Wuhan, China. The numbers you provided, courtesy of the Chinese gov't.

So, let's compare to Italy. They were hit pretty hard. From what I understand Italy is closely tied to China in business dealings. I don't really know that much about it. Anyway. January 31st the first 2 cases were confirmed in Italy. Chinese tourists. A week later a guy repatriating from Wuhan china tests positive. 1 month later Italy has 1,694 confirmed cases. 1,694 cases in 1 month.

So, Italy had 3 times as many confirmed cases in its 1st month as Wuhan, the epicenter, says they had in its first 2 months. And that's with no lock down in Wuhan. And that's considering where this mysterious little virus bug started, in Wuhan, China.

Do those numbers and circumstances make sense to you?
 
Do those numbers and circumstances make sense to you?

It's a fair question and there are probably many explanations....I default to what I have said from early on..we just don't know what we don't know...eventually we will have a much clearer picture and understanding of all of this craziness...To assume things and start pointing fingers, placing all the blame on China at this juncture is not productive and brings on a wave unnecessary, unfounded hate and resentment against the country that first identified and told the world ahem...Houston we have a problem....I remember hearing about the virus in early January but it wasn't clear how serious it was..I remember this because we had a Trade show in Vegas KBIS and the Builders show January 23rd through the 25th and had 1000's of Chinese attendees and vendors. At the time it kind of was in the back of mind "I wonder if any of these folks might be bringing the crazy new virus with them?" :eek:

Well to get back to the question...Maybe...and this is just conjecture Italy had many more cases than they realized before they thought they did just like in many other countries including China....

So here is an Article from the BBC that was published June 19th Where they say

The National Institute of Health (ISS) said water from Milan and Turin showed genetic virus traces on 18 December.
It adds to evidence from other countries that the virus may have been circulating much earlier than thought.
Chinese officials confirmed the first cases at the end of December. Italy's first case was in mid-February.
In May French scientists said tests on samples showed a patient treated for suspected pneumonia near Paris on 27 December actually had the coronavirus.

Meanwhile in Spain a study found virus traces in waste water collected in mid-January in Barcelona, some 40 days before the first local case was discovered.

Another interesting thing to take note of is the incredibly low amount of cases in countries that took the much more serious approach to dealing with this virus early on...South Korea, Hong Kong, Vietnam why are theirs so incredibly much lower than Italy and the U.S. Hmmmmm?

From this Wiki

South Korea introduced what was considered one of the largest and best-organised epidemic control programs in the world, along with Taiwan,Vietnam, and Singapore. Different measures have been taken to screen the mass population for the virus, and isolate any infected people as well as trace and quarantine those who contacted them, without further lockdown. The rapid and extensive tests taken by South Korea have been judged successful in limiting the spread of the outbreak, without using the drastic measure of quarantining entire cities.
 
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