America Rejects Trump
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CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
You deny he inherited a good economy? You’d be denying facts if you do.
When somebody says that I would look at details such as for example gdp for a quick guide.
2008 GDP was 14.7 trillion. 2012 GDP was 16.2 trillion and in 2016. An increase of 1.5 trillion over a President term.
2012 GDP was 16.2 trillion and in 2016 18.7 trillion. An increase of 2.5 trillion over a President term.
2016 GDP was 18.7 and in 2020 it will be 22.3 trillion. An increase of 3.5 trillion over same period. Almost the same increase of the previous man but in half the time.
Now I would say that the later was far more successful. In fact I would say approx 40% more successful. Considering that the country was continually torn apart by Democrat witch hunts, Democrats holding back money being spent and stopping policies, together with the world going apeshit over Covid in approx 20% of the later Presidential term.
Not to mention the whole of the media and the biggest companies in the world fighting his every move to stop the Presidents actions being successful.
It is honest to say that a man who was not a politician in any sense was more successful at his job with everything against him than any other President has been in my lifetime.
I know nothing about the man. I am not a fan of him. I cannot vote in your election and I am not an American. But I could surmise that America probably may have lost the best man for the job they could have ever had going on facts and figures.
You could say that is all down to someone else who I only ever saw playing golf. But I would rather look at what they managed to do.
On the face of it to an outsider you have just got rid of someone who was hugely successful at his job and could have been even more successful if allowed just because some of you didnt like him. You did this in favour of a pipe dream which has failed everywhere else in the world.
I have worked at lots of places where I couldnt stand the bosses but I did my job and they did theirs and we never went hungry. We certainly didnt stop doing something which was a success in favour of something which had failed in other businesses. That is cuckoo mentality.
Like I asked earlier....... Where do you go now?
2008 GDP was 14.7 trillion. 2012 GDP was 16.2 trillion and in 2016. An increase of 1.5 trillion over a President term.
2012 GDP was 16.2 trillion and in 2016 18.7 trillion. An increase of 2.5 trillion over a President term.
2016 GDP was 18.7 and in 2020 it will be 22.3 trillion. An increase of 3.5 trillion over same period. Almost the same increase of the previous man but in half the time.
Now I would say that the later was far more successful. In fact I would say approx 40% more successful. Considering that the country was continually torn apart by Democrat witch hunts, Democrats holding back money being spent and stopping policies, together with the world going apeshit over Covid in approx 20% of the later Presidential term.
Not to mention the whole of the media and the biggest companies in the world fighting his every move to stop the Presidents actions being successful.
It is honest to say that a man who was not a politician in any sense was more successful at his job with everything against him than any other President has been in my lifetime.
I know nothing about the man. I am not a fan of him. I cannot vote in your election and I am not an American. But I could surmise that America probably may have lost the best man for the job they could have ever had going on facts and figures.
You could say that is all down to someone else who I only ever saw playing golf. But I would rather look at what they managed to do.
On the face of it to an outsider you have just got rid of someone who was hugely successful at his job and could have been even more successful if allowed just because some of you didnt like him. You did this in favour of a pipe dream which has failed everywhere else in the world.
I have worked at lots of places where I couldnt stand the bosses but I did my job and they did theirs and we never went hungry. We certainly didnt stop doing something which was a success in favour of something which had failed in other businesses. That is cuckoo mentality.
Like I asked earlier....... Where do you go now?
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DM60
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I think the economy was moving in a positive direction. It was really in bad shape thanks to mortgage policies implemented in the late 90's.
Not having to put money down on a house was really not a good idea. That caused a lot of bad behavior by a lot of people. But I think many of the policies Trump started, in trade, renegotiating some policies had a positive effect. Many believe Trump was able to get the economy really running and the Dems knew unless the economy tanked, there was no way to defeat Trump. That is why many struggle with how much this Corona pandemic is real. (I am just stating an observation)
But you are still missing the main issue of American politics, many in "anti-Trump" camps fail to understand, many Americans do not want a European style government. Socialism while it sounds good to many is nothing more than communism rebranded. For those of us old enough and who have first hand seen the results of communism think it is s short hop from socialism to communism. Whether you think we are crazy or not, that is the main rift in the ideologies of the two main parties. I would further add the idea of a "globalist" mentality, many Americans don't want it and they are pushing back on it. I am seeing push back this more and more in other parts of the world. Brexit, European countries pushing back on Brussels. The EU is going crazy over Brexit not because Britain is so important, but it could be the beginning of the end of the EU.
While it is easy to just throw these trivial issues out there and say, "this". But for most of the people who back Trump, it is a much bigger battle. It is the battle of the American soul, whether real or perceived. Perception is reality.
It is the end of the EU.
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TAE
All you have is now
And what were the fruits of this well wasted time, money, divisiveness, stress on our nation, our President and his team?
Please elaborate. Curious wtf you're talking about. It was a total and complete sham and embarrassment for the alleged pursuers of truth.
The truth will set you free they say...Hmmmm don't remember the Donald getting arrested or impeached ...
It was a litany of dumbass exercises in futility, waste of time, money and energy by people who were voted in as representatives / employees making their living off of the sweat of real working Americans. Money and time shamelessly wasted by them and putting an inexcusable drain on President Trump and his whole team
Hard to hit a homerun when there's fricking flies buzzing around your head and biting you on your neck the whole time you're up to bat.
But homeruns were hit despite the flies all buzzing.
I certainly didn't like some of the things he said or did but the dude trudged forward and got a lot of good things done while all the while the leftpress and dems were nipping at his ass trying to drag him down.
Please elaborate. Curious wtf you're talking about. It was a total and complete sham and embarrassment for the alleged pursuers of truth.
The truth will set you free they say...Hmmmm don't remember the Donald getting arrested or impeached ...
It was a litany of dumbass exercises in futility, waste of time, money and energy by people who were voted in as representatives / employees making their living off of the sweat of real working Americans. Money and time shamelessly wasted by them and putting an inexcusable drain on President Trump and his whole team
Hard to hit a homerun when there's fricking flies buzzing around your head and biting you on your neck the whole time you're up to bat.
But homeruns were hit despite the flies all buzzing.
I certainly didn't like some of the things he said or did but the dude trudged forward and got a lot of good things done while all the while the leftpress and dems were nipping at his ass trying to drag him down.
Mickster
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DM60...I agree with you regarding the fear of socialism by many. To add to that though...there are MANY on the center and center left who also don't want to move towards socialism. The misconception is that all left / Democrats desire socialism. That's not the case by far. My genuine fear is that our younger generation of voters does not clearly understand what a move towards socialism could mean for their own future.
That said...I truly don't feel that this country would ever go all the way there. And the fear of doing that is a GOOD thing anyway...so I hope there's a lot of push back.
Also having said that...the leader of this country needs to be genuinely able to bring people together. Whether or not Biden can do that...or will even try hard...is to be determined. IMO Trump lost because of who he is and how he acts and how he constantly stepped on his message with ridiculous utterances of all sorts. Ironically...he had LOTS of opportunities to be a real life hero in small and even big ways...even to those on the left. He lost the election because he DROVE too many to dislike him and paid the price. You could say that shouldn't matter...his policies should...but can you say you have no personal feelings about character that influence your voting choices? If I mention the name Hillary Clinton...do you get it?
As for the vote counts...it's easy to list the increased votes for Trump and declare a base of power and influence...but you have to be real about the votes for Biden (against Trump) as well. Remember...Trump has never won the popular vote in two elections. There's something to be said about that...and it's not about fraud. Add up both elections popular vote for the left and right...and you are looking at a stark statement...if not a mandate.
The left and right have lots in common. It's the center right and center left fear of the FAR end of each that separates us...and ultimately skews our vision of the majority in this country. If you live on the far end of either...thank you. It's you who keeps the rest of us vigilant.
That said...I truly don't feel that this country would ever go all the way there. And the fear of doing that is a GOOD thing anyway...so I hope there's a lot of push back.
Also having said that...the leader of this country needs to be genuinely able to bring people together. Whether or not Biden can do that...or will even try hard...is to be determined. IMO Trump lost because of who he is and how he acts and how he constantly stepped on his message with ridiculous utterances of all sorts. Ironically...he had LOTS of opportunities to be a real life hero in small and even big ways...even to those on the left. He lost the election because he DROVE too many to dislike him and paid the price. You could say that shouldn't matter...his policies should...but can you say you have no personal feelings about character that influence your voting choices? If I mention the name Hillary Clinton...do you get it?
As for the vote counts...it's easy to list the increased votes for Trump and declare a base of power and influence...but you have to be real about the votes for Biden (against Trump) as well. Remember...Trump has never won the popular vote in two elections. There's something to be said about that...and it's not about fraud. Add up both elections popular vote for the left and right...and you are looking at a stark statement...if not a mandate.
The left and right have lots in common. It's the center right and center left fear of the FAR end of each that separates us...and ultimately skews our vision of the majority in this country. If you live on the far end of either...thank you. It's you who keeps the rest of us vigilant.
ibleedburgundy
The Anti-Lambo
No, there is no pushing all the felonies aside. They are real. They count. They actually happened.
Trump hand picked 6 felons for his inner circle of advisors. It is a significant problem. If you take issue with such a mundane assertion, then it is beyond obvious which of us is deranged.
Can you admit that having 6 hand-picked felons from Trump's inner circle is a problem? Do you have the slightest compunction about a Republican who surrounds himself with felons?
Can you honestly look me in the virtual eye and claim you would similarly minimize all these felons if they were close associates of Joe Biden? You are defending all these felons as a matter of principle, and would maintain these standards regardless of party?
I don't watch CNN, or any cable news. Can you say the same?
Brassplyer said:
The investigation started with legitimate concerns about shady dealings from Trump's foreign policy advisor (and felon) George Papadapolous:
Dossier Not What 'Started All of This' - FactCheck.org
It was a legitimate investigation. Mueller convicted 6 felons from Trump's inner circle.
Mueller did not force Trump's associates to lie to the FBI about their contacts with Russia. Mueller did not force Trump's trusted advisors to lie under oath to congress or obstruct investigations or intimidate witnesses. Mueller did not force Trump to select a campaign Manager and deputy campaign manager who were committing tax fraud in order to hide payments from Russian interests in Ukraine.
Brassplyer said:
So your theory is that George Papadolous knowingly committed a felony and lied to investigators...for no reason.
You think Michale Flynn knowingly committed a felony and lied to investigators because he......had nothing to hide?
You think Paul Manaforte was hiding massive payments from pro-Russia oligarchs......but really everything was kosher and he did this for no reason.
You believe Rick Gates was hiding massive amounts of payments from pro-Russia oligarchs .......but really everything was kosher and he covered it up for no reason.
You think Roger Stone committed multiple felonies and lied to investigators about his contacts with Russia....for no apparent reason because actually he was innocent.
You find it plausible that Trump's personal attorney lied to investigators about Russian dealings....because lawyers lie under oath and knowingly risk perjury charges for......no reason at all?
^^^This is your theory!?! - all these guys knowingly committed felonies in an effort to cover up.....honest, proper, legal business and campaign arrangements?!?
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ibleedburgundy
The Anti-Lambo
Supercreep
Lizard People
Oh look - another talking points thread.
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
Yeah, just the golf statement alone is proof you’re biased in some way.
Trump has played 2.6 times more golf than Obama in his first 2 years and 91 days and has cost the tax payer an estimated $74 million more than Obama.
I’m just gonna disengage. No point in arguing with someone who doesn’t do facts.
ibleedburgundy
The Anti-Lambo
The Democrats won the popular vote in 7 of the past 8 Presidential elections.
And again, Bush got 11% of the black vote in 2004. Trump got 8-12% in this election (results still pending). In 16 years Republicans gained a maximum of 1%, or perhaps made no gains at all. Your sources are really digging deep to try to make that sound like some sort of trend.
Absolutely hilarious.................. The facts are just entered into Google. USA gdp 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020.
As regards being biased. I explained. I am an outsider looking in. What others around the world see of the USA and all that stuff. Who wins I couldn't care less. I just replied to 'misinformation'.
If you have a problem with facts then have a word with Google.
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
Absolutely hilarious.................. The facts are just entered into Google. USA gdp 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020.
As regards being biased. I explained. I am an outsider looking in. What others around the world see of the USA and all that stuff. Who wins I couldn't care less. I just replied to 'misinformation'.
If you have a problem with facts then have a word with Google.
Just as a last reply. I did google it.
Here are the numbers https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/
Oh....in before you say “mUh BiAsEd MeDiA.”
I dont see your point. I told you where I got the figures from off Google. A newspaper will have an agenda and I have no idea where the Washington post goes Dem or Rep.
As for the nose dive of 2020. Every country in the world has been the same because of Covid except for the one who caused it I think.
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
My point is that Trump inherited a good economy thanks to Obama. The numbers are right there in plain view.
And see, that’s your problem. You think an organization must automatically swing Dem or Rep when they don’t have to go in either direction. I studied media bias for my final thesis. The WaPo is a very reputable source that’s pretty dang close to the center. The only organizations that are closer are the AP and NPR/PBS.
I see your point but Google are lefter than left and big corp and I used their figures..........So??????????????
Buck62
噛んでくれ
A good portion of this thread is like watching a Don Lemon marathon with all the tired bogus CNN talking points being beaten to death.
Biden is a putz and totally owned by China. He's a plagiarist, a liar, and an open racist. (There's plenty of videos out there to prove it all)
Trump is a fighter and he's the same guy that Orca (Oprah) and the most of Hollywood lefties used to love... until he upset the apple cart and called out the political left for it's bullshit.
I think Trump is exactly what this country needed to wake up the silent middle class who took a beat-down from the elitist Dems for decades and were stripped of their jobs and livelihoods.
TRUMP 2024 ...because it's gonna be like a freakin' Rocky movie where he fights his way back out of the corner for a final knockout of the political left.
PS... Trump inherited a big steaming pile of doo doo from Obama as far as the economy goes. Obama was clueless on the economy. Trump's tariffs on China, the killing of the disastrous NAFTA, and the new USMCA is what made our economy take off.
Either way, nobody is going to change anyone's mind here. So, what's the point?
Can we talk about more important stuff now? Like Japanese girl bands... yes!
Biden is a putz and totally owned by China. He's a plagiarist, a liar, and an open racist. (There's plenty of videos out there to prove it all)
Trump is a fighter and he's the same guy that Orca (Oprah) and the most of Hollywood lefties used to love... until he upset the apple cart and called out the political left for it's bullshit.
I think Trump is exactly what this country needed to wake up the silent middle class who took a beat-down from the elitist Dems for decades and were stripped of their jobs and livelihoods.
TRUMP 2024 ...because it's gonna be like a freakin' Rocky movie where he fights his way back out of the corner for a final knockout of the political left.
PS... Trump inherited a big steaming pile of doo doo from Obama as far as the economy goes. Obama was clueless on the economy. Trump's tariffs on China, the killing of the disastrous NAFTA, and the new USMCA is what made our economy take off.
Either way, nobody is going to change anyone's mind here. So, what's the point?
Can we talk about more important stuff now? Like Japanese girl bands... yes!
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TAE
All you have is now
TRUMP 2024 ...because it's gonna be like a freakin' Rocky movie where he fights his way back out of the corner for a final knockout of the political left.
Now wouldn't that be somethin.... proly not gonna happen cause he be getting pretty old by then but it could happen...That's one I hadn't pondered.
On a more cordial note....Buck62! Wassssup? Hope your flyin low n avoiding the low life's in these dumbass times...stay safe!
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