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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman999 View Post
    WOW. Okay, next question: How and why did they choose your daughter to sing at Dodger Stadium?
    Ok to make a short story long.... Both my girls have super cool pipes and both were fortunate enough to have a high school choir director who was way above his pay grade knew how to bring out the best of the good and even the not so good.

    The wife used to be in banking and did a lot of the local socializing like smoozing in the chamber of commerce and one of the local events she got involved in when my girls were little was the Miss Covina pageant which was part of the Miss America pageant...Well I think that is where the seed was planted and the older of the two who is just a real outgoing A personality type person aspired to compete and her talent was singing...Well she won which meant she then had to represent Covina in the Miss California pageant..BTW the whole pageant thing from a Dad perspective is weird ass shit. It was a strange experience but there she was competing for Miss California. She did not win but... Not really sure how it happened but in these social things there are a lot of politicians, movers n shakers and someone there who had heard her sing put it out that if she was open to it they would like her to sing at Dodger stadium. And that's how it all came to be.

    She never joined a band and though she loves to sing, it is a rare occurrence. She sang Hole in my Heart by Jewel and I accompanied her on piano at my Mom's funeral and left everyone there balling their eyes out. She works as an admin for a school district and every now and then she'll belt out a song for some event..

    Below is the video of my precious kid barely 18 doing her thing at Dodger Stadium. This was in 2001..

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    That was very nice. Thank you. It's refreshing to hear a straight forward performance of this favorite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman999 View Post
    I don't know. I just think about the music we had in our time, and what's being released now (over the past 20 years) and it doesn't even come close to comparison.
    I suppose it's all subjective The youth will be the ruin of our world has been an underlying theme for the elders of most societies for 1000's of years.

    Memories are very jaded and science has shown that we all screw it up in how we remember...some worse than others but we all do. Good gets better and the bad gets worse... and the facts get real blurry...

    I really am not a fan of "beats" and Techno and Rap but I have heard really decent creative stuff come out of all of it...but mainstream pop and rock IMO we have a shot load of really talented people out there...Sadly it is a business and always has been but with computers and analytics ithas really sterilized the main stuff we see and hear...

    But watch the young and the raw and you'll be pleasantly surprised that musical creativity is alive n well...The Music Machine can't kill it because it is from the universe ( God) and inspires all who participate in making music.

    One really popular young man is Shawn Mendez...Yeah they will totally commercialize him but check out his early stuff...brilliant player and songwriter in my dusty old fart opinion.




    I also dig Nate Ruess of Fun that song " We are young" kicks ass again in my demented old man thinking.. I know it's not Love it to death Alice Cooper Rock n Roll.....but there are youngsters still out there making that kind of music...Sadly in 2021 a song like "long way to go" (Love it to death) by ol Alice is highly unlikely to get the youth of our world( I'm tellin ya they are the ruin) to go click crazy on it make it go viral and it get world wide airplay...



    I remember in the Cave about 10 or 15 years ago having this same type of conversation...and Pink was brought up...she kicks ass

    I wrote a little diddly @ 15 -20 years ago that went

    I remember last December
    Or was it July?
    I really can't remember
    I don't try

    Cause that was then and this is now and things have changed
    Names and faces , games and places rearranged..
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    Quote Originally Posted by TAE View Post
    Ok to make a short story long.... Both my girls have super cool pipes and both were fortunate enough to have a high school choir director who was way above his pay grade knew how to bring out the best of the good and even the not so good.

    The wife used to be in banking and did a lot of the local socializing like smoozing in the chamber of commerce and one of the local events she got involved in when my girls were little was the Miss Covina pageant which was part of the Miss America pageant...Well I think that is where the seed was planted and the older of the two who is just a real outgoing A personality type person aspired to compete and her talent was singing...Well she won which meant she then had to represent Covina in the Miss California pageant..BTW the whole pageant thing from a Dad perspective is weird ass shit. It was a strange experience but there she was competing for Miss California. She did not win but... Not really sure how it happened but in these social things there are a lot of politicians, movers n shakers and someone there who had heard her sing put it out that if she was open to it they would like her to sing at Dodger stadium. And that's how it all came to be.

    She never joined a band and though she loves to sing, it is a rare occurrence. She sang Hole in my Heart by Jewel and I accompanied her on piano at my Mom's funeral and left everyone there balling their eyes out. She works as an admin for a school district and every now and then she'll belt out a song for some event..

    Below is the video of my precious kid barely 18 doing her thing at Dodger Stadium. This was in 2001..

    Pretty as a picture and sounds GREAT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAE View Post
    I suppose it's all subjective The youth will be the ruin of our world has been an underlying theme for the elders of most societies for 1000's of years.
    Before the 60s this country had immense problems in "everyone being equal". It's not perfect in 2020, but it's a hell of a lot better. Look at what the kids of today are fighting for. There are good justified fights, and then there's the shit that's going on now. A guy rushes a cop with a knife, is shot and killed and there's a week of rioting. Is that a good winnable fight? Is it even sane? Somethings aren't subjective. Sometimes it's just right and wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by TAE View Post
    Memories are very jaded and science has shown that we all screw it up in how we remember...some worse than others but we all do. Good gets better and the bad gets worse... and the facts get real blurry...

    I really am not a fan of "beats" and Techno and Rap but I have heard really decent creative stuff come out of all of it...but mainstream pop and rock IMO we have a shot load of really talented people out there...Sadly it is a business and always has been but with computers and analytics ithas really sterilized the main stuff we see and hear...

    But watch the young and the raw and you'll be pleasantly surprised that musical creativity is alive n well...The Music Machine can't kill it because it is from the universe ( God) and inspires all who participate in making music.
    There will always be good musicians and music. But, there was a century of creative genius that shaped culture and the way we live. NOTHING like that has happened this century. Over twenty years of nothing new. I'm listening to Cayetana who I think are fabulous. But, they're certainly not original. They just write great songs.

    Quote Originally Posted by TAE View Post
    I remember in the Cave about 10 or 15 years ago having this same type of conversation...and Pink was brought up...she kicks ass

    I wrote a little diddly @ 15 -20 years ago that went

    I remember last December
    Or was it July?
    I really can't remember
    I don't try

    Cause that was then and this is now and things have changed
    Names and faces , games and places rearranged..
    Nice lyrics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orson View Post
    I think some of the 1990's UK music was very good. Excluding the SpiceGirls and other girl and boybands there was some fantastic music produced.

    The Progidy's 'Fat Of The Land' was brilliant.......... and I'm a rocker. There was some really great 90's music. Ok it may not have been done on guitar and drums but it was still good stuff.

    Suede..........Blur......Supertramp.......Oasis.......Shaggy......Scatman.....Primus........theres tons of bands who made a great tune or two from the 90's.
    The 90s (IMO) was the beginning of the end. There were some great bands and songs. But, I said born after 1990 because you really don't grasp music till you're a teenager. I've loved music since I was a baby. But, I've found that most people (at least the people I hang out with) their favorite bands are when they're in their teens. So, if you were born in 1990, your "music" would be from the early 2000s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman999 View Post
    There will always be good musicians and music. But, there was a century of creative genius that shaped culture and the way we live. NOTHING like that has happened this century. Over twenty years of nothing new
    The thing is, there was so much creative and innovative stuff in the 20th century that really, the ramifications of that explosively fertile and creative period are part of the music of the 21st. If you really think about it, music listening wasn't widespread until radio, then stereos and these occurred in the 20th century en masse. Therefore, the inspiration was so much wider spread, as were the huge number of imitations {meant in the nicest possible way} and possible fusions and directions one could be inspired to go in. And something really important and overlooked, something we are at the vanguard of ~ the notion of the ordinary Joe or Josephine either embarking on a musical career {and its associated fields of engineering, journalism, instrument building etc, etc} or people being able to just write and record songs they like, much of which they write.
    By the way, I'm not so sure I'd agree that nothing new has happened in the last 20 years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman999 View Post
    I'm listening to Cayetana who I think are fabulous. But, they're certainly not original. They just write great songs
    But that has always been the case with the overwhelming majority of artists of any era, particularly the 20th century. Innovators are few and far between. Those writing great songs are not. What would you rather be known for, originality {that may actually be near unlistenable} or writing great songs that people love ?
    And when we use a term like 'originality' what do we actually mean ? That's a kind of paradoxical term.

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    What would you rather be known for, originality or writing great songs that people love ?
    I'm greedy. I want both !

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimtraveller View Post
    The thing is, there was so much creative and innovative stuff in the 20th century that really, the ramifications of that explosively fertile and creative period are part of the music of the 21st. If you really think about it, music listening wasn't widespread until radio, then stereos and these occurred in the 20th century en masse. Therefore, the inspiration was so much wider spread, as were the huge number of imitations {meant in the nicest possible way} and possible fusions and directions one could be inspired to go in. And something really important and overlooked, something we are at the vanguard of ~ the notion of the ordinary Joe or Josephine either embarking on a musical career {and its associated fields of engineering, journalism, instrument building etc, etc} or people being able to just write and record songs they like, much of which they write.
    By the way, I'm not so sure I'd agree that nothing new has happened in the last 20 years.
    But that has always been the case with the overwhelming majority of artists of any era, particularly the 20th century. Innovators are few and far between. Those writing great songs are not. What would you rather be known for, originality {that may actually be near unlistenable} or writing great songs that people love ?
    And when we use a term like 'originality' what do we actually mean ? That's a kind of paradoxical term.

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    I'm greedy. I want both !
    I can break this down (I'm sure I'll miss something along the way. But, you'll get the gist).

    1950s: Poodle skirts, slicked hair, rock and roll. Style and music created something totally new.
    1960s: Long hair on men, smoking weed, Rock & Roll psychedelics. Style and music created something totally new.
    1970s: Polyester and disco. Punk and pins. Music and style created something totally new.
    1980s: Excess, big shoulder pads, New Wave/Romantic, hair metal music. Rap and break dancing. Style and music created something totally new.
    1990s: Grunge brought it all to an end. Plaid shirts and no style.
    2000s: Fill in the blank... What style and music was created for something totally new?

    You can trace back jazz, country, and other forms of music/style back to at least the roaring twenties.

    Technology has advanced to the point we can sit and speak in real time over a screen. Record on a cell phone. Yet not one frightening beautiful new art/style has risen from these advancements.

    If you search hard enough, you can always find a great new song. It's just much harder. You have to wade through mounds of absolute crap to find a good one. That's sad. Last century you didn't have to.

    For originality I'll merely point to the name on this thread. The Alice Cooper band took rock and created a singularly original sound and experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman999 View Post
    I can break this down (I'm sure I'll miss something along the way. But, you'll get the gist).

    1950s: Poodle skirts, slicked hair, rock and roll. Style and music created something totally new.
    1960s: Long hair on men, smoking weed, Rock & Roll psychedelics. Style and music created something totally new.
    1970s: Polyester and disco. Punk and pins. Music and style created something totally new.
    1980s: Excess, big shoulder pads, New Wave/Romantic, hair metal music. Rap and break dancing. Style and music created something totally new.
    1990s: Grunge brought it all to an end. Plaid shirts and no style.
    2000s: Fill in the blank... What style and music was created for something totally new?

    You can trace back jazz, country, and other forms of music/style back to at least the roaring twenties.

    Technology has advanced to the point we can sit and speak in real time over a screen. Record on a cell phone. Yet not one frightening beautiful new art/style has risen from these advancements.

    If you search hard enough, you can always find a great new song. It's just much harder. You have to wade through mounds of absolute crap to find a good one. That's sad. Last century you didn't have to.

    For originality I'll merely point to the name on this thread. The Alice Cooper band took rock and created a singularly original sound and experience.
    You missed out quite a lot there but I doubt the fashion had much if anything to do with making the music. It was more like trying something new in fashion just as others did in music.

    Perhaps the answer to your point is that by 2000's everything new that could have been done had been done?

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    I think 'new and original' is sometimes overrated. That was what I was getting at. The 20th century had so much innovation musically {the fashion stuff was retreads ~ men had long hair centuries before the 1960s. Just look at old portraits from bygone eras} that there is much for newer bands to mine, refine and be innovative within. Just because you don't invent a genre {and by definition, even if you don't subscribe to genres being evolutions, which I do}, it doesn't mean that by operating within a particular genre that you won't knock out good original work. David Bowie {just one example among thousands I could name} did not innovate a single genre in his whole career. He utilized many already existing styles of music and fashion. But you can't convince me he was not really original in his music. He wrote great songs for the best part of 49 years.

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