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    Quote Originally Posted by Orson View Post
    Just same as any other business.
    Well...I think other businesses have found way to be fully opened...only requiring you wear your mask and keeping some distance, which in a lot of places if not hard to do because they have the space, and don't have packed crowds.

    Clubs/bars are all about the crowds...studios are often crammed...so it's not as simple to be open and maintain all that required distancing.
    Look at concerts...how do you pack an auditorium while keeping each person 6' feet apart...? You have to do some really weird staggering of both seats and rows...and by then, you get like 1/3 the capacity, which means no real profits to be made...so why do it...etc....etc.

    Wait...I think I have the solution.
    If establishments would call all music gatherings "protests"...then all those social distancing and PPE safety requirements are no longer mandatory.

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    There's a chart that doesn't claim to be scientific, but lists activities in order of risk of contracting COVID-19 (1-9 seems to be the scale, with 9 the worst). Bars are in the "9" category, especially as they are now focusing on the fact that it's close proximity to folks who are spewing lots of vapor and atomizing the virus all around them, generally by vocalizing a lot and loudly. So (corollary), if you want to work on your part of the herd immunity concept of beating this thing, go to a bar with live music.

    It has, in case you've not watched the news lately, been re-opened around here for a few weeks and several friends are diving in as much as they can - some small gigs (probably tips - I don't ask), hosting open mics, whatever. Crowds are not back to normal, but from the pictures I've seen (not going myself), social distancing is a joke. Not everyone is as old as me, of course, but most are not in tip-top condition, either. So, I'm waiting to see who is the first to fall.

    I don't see how clubs or small venues are going to get back to a state where they can pay performers any kind of money to sustain them purely as working musicians, unless there's a serious die-hard (unsure of pun intention or not) fan base willing to pony up a hefty door charge, or at least multi-expensive-drink minimums.

    Then there's the Live Nation thing where they've basically told all the touring performers they'll get paid less, have to buy their own insurance to cover disgruntled ticket holders in the event of cancellations (since LN has stiffed pretty much everybody for this year, and how they're going to survive is probably a reasonable question). Again, a lot of folks have said it's not going to work for them to sign that contract. Whether they'll come around, or meet in the middle somewhere and we'll limp back to something like it was before, I sure don't know. I've kissed off a few hundred $ in tickets I'll never get to use for this year, so not buying any more until there's a vaccine that really works on (and doesn't kill) geezers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
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    Wait...I think I have the solution.
    If establishments would call all music gatherings "protests"...then all those social distancing and PPE safety requirements are no longer mandatory.
    Much as people like to protest, I think the easiest way to stop that is to just charge admission.
    "... I know in the mornin' that it's gonna be good
    when I stick out my elbows and they don't bump wood." - Bill Kirchen

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    Quote Originally Posted by keith.rogers View Post

    It has, in case you've not watched the news lately, been re-opened around here for a few weeks and several friends are diving in as much as they can - some small gigs (probably tips - I don't ask), hosting open mics, whatever. Crowds are not back to normal, but from the pictures I've seen (not going myself), social distancing is a joke.
    Up here in NY, it's just getting to where bars and restaurants are getting reopened...but it seems you need to have outdoor options in order to do table service...otherwise, it's pick-up or delivery.
    AFA the big joke...it's the masks. I would say that 90% of them are useless for COVID-19. Very...VERY few are wearing proper masks. Most of the ones look home made or they buy them at the supermarket and they don't fit right...you can stick your finger in at the side or by the nose, and the ones that are bigger and fit tighter because they are made with spandex, they clearly state that they are NOT medical grade...so what's the point...???
    I was out today...90+ degrees out...people have their masks on their chins or with their noses exposed...so again, what's the point...???

    I don't want to turn this into a general COVID-19 thread, since we already have one...I was mostly wondering how all this pseudo-safety nonsense was going to translate to the bars/clubs/venues for live music.
    Sure...you can charge admission...but that doesn't make the mask and 6' distance requirements go away.
    So I say...let people do what they want. Those that need to feel 100% safe...continue to stay home, and all that...and let the crowds gather and let the music play.
    People will get sick...but then, maybe we will get to a herd immunity point, where it just won't matter any more than when there is a bad flu season, and people still just go about their business...those who want flu shots, get them, but many don't.
    AFA a vaccine for COVID-19...the soonest we might see one is sometime in October/November if the tests show it works after some human trials...but AFAIK, none of the manufacturers have gotten to the human trial yet...so waiting for that to "safe us" may be a big waste of time...IOW, with the warm weather, with everything open again...people will do what people will do, and I don't think anyone will be too receptive to another couple of months of forced shutdowns.

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    It's a known fact that alcohol kills the virus. I don't see the problem here.

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    In our state, Western Australia, the borders to the rest of the country and world have been closed for months. As a result there are no new cases here. The state government are looking at re opening everything soon, gigs are partly open right now with restricted numbers, however it’s taking a while to get going.

    The state government was under pressure to open the borders but keeping the border closed was proved right as there is now a sudden spike in Victoria.

    Here we have the perfect situation for keeping people out, there are only 2 roads connecting us to the east coast and we have closed the airport and passenger ships.

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    Corona Pandemic shut down the whole word activities. Even the whole planet taking rest and refreshing by making the people stay in their homes. All business sectors are reduced their productivity. And Protective PPE Gowns, sanitizers, Face Masks and other PPE elements are selling in Peak. Really don't know where this world heading now !!We just be patient and witness the changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witzendoz View Post
    In our state, Western Australia, the borders to the rest of the country and world have been closed for months. As a result there are no new cases here. The state government are looking at re opening everything soon, gigs are partly open right now with restricted numbers, however it’s taking a while to get going.

    The state government was under pressure to open the borders but keeping the border closed was proved right as there is now a sudden spike in Victoria.

    Here we have the perfect situation for keeping people out, there are only 2 roads connecting us to the east coast and we have closed the airport and passenger ships.

    Alan
    Fremantle Western Australia
    I looked at the live flights website this morning and Australia has more planes in the sky than anywhere else. So some airports are open.

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    We've slightly reopened and reps are flying in from other states. The quarantines of 14 days has been lifted per the Traveling Reps, so they come here from California or Florida etc...to Texas.

    Restaurants and Bars and stores are all in some really weird, partial -open mode....so I think the economy is going to crash much worse as no business can operate at 25 % on a good year. Recession and the stock market is all a bunch of fake Highs and Lows and can drop in a day or break highs in a day, the Hospitals & Fatalities rates are being watched and its climbing in numbers but not as bad as the media is making it out, and as far as Fatalities its not changed. 80 and older seem to get the 90% of Fatalites and some new medicine is helping there (so Ive heard? but who can believe anything with all the contradicting data?)

    Im wearing a mask whenever I leave the house or car. Im also making sure I have 3 months of stuff in the house like TP, Ramen and other basics...though I don't think there will be another Economy Shutdown because we'll go into the Dark Ages financially.

    Schools and Colleges ramping up Online fast so that's a new world that will probably continue after Im dead and gone.

    Online everything seems to be the big winner in all this. ....wish Id bought Amazon stock years ago.

    I think the problem is China and their sloppy ways that have released virus's several times in the past decades and seem to be in denial or don't care. No one wants to argue with them it seems either, all a bunch of coward governments? I don't know. I did hear China is cracking down on the nasty caveman like filthy germ ridden wet markets....that's a start if you can trust them. Maybe this is all Germ Warfare? I don't know anymore.

    welcome to 2020!

    if it's not happening in the room, it ain't gonna happen on tape.-H.Gerst

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orson View Post
    I looked at the live flights website this morning and Australia has more planes in the sky than anywhere else. So some airports are open.
    Our state has planes flying people in and out work who are on bi-weekly shifts sometimes up to 1200 miles away, its still within our state so no borders crossed. Remember Adelaide the closest city to us is a 2.5hr flight away.

    People can cross our border and come in but are isolated for 2 weeks before they can go out.
    Alan

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