Leak of Roe v Wade court decision
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LazerBeakShiek
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All you have is now
Is that gas I smell?
WWLaidback
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I treat my pets better than that.
If I have too many then I go to the trouble to find a good owner.
It only requires that I care enough.
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WWLaidback
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cool. It starts with caring.
Dog gone what did you catch there?
WWLaidback
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Then put them up for adoption.
I'm pretty sure there's a waiting list.
New borns are in the highest demand.
PS: I heard abortion clinics are a really depressing place to work.
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But realistically, that isn’t how things happen. The fact that people should do that does not mean that everyone does. So regardless of how or why it happens (and I believe there is much, much more at play than people not caring enough about their children to find them good homes), we still end up with kids in foster homes, homeless, without enough food, abused, etc.
What people ought to do doesn’t change what is actually happening. “Should” is not a solution to the problem of tens of thousands of unwanted children being born. That will still happen either way, even if you think that people should just care more.
Everyone’s situation is different, and being able to “afford” kids is a very different thing for people who have different levels of income. I’m not sure what your financial situation is like, but did you ever have to decide between paying rent and feeding your kids?
When I was 22, I had my first bipolar episode. I couldn’t hold down a job, pay rent, or afford food. I lost 40 pounds in 2 months (wound up 125 pounds as a 5’10” male). If my parents didn’t have the resources to support me—which many parents don’t—I’d be an unmedicated homeless lunatic, causing trouble for myself and everyone else. Lots of people end up like that, and I’m so lucky that I didn’t. Making abortion illegal means more kids like me end up born, and into much more difficult situations. Even the trauma of being unwanted is enough to fuck a kid up, all else aside.
Just watched it. These comments are directed at the video, and while it’s definitely a critique, that isn’t meant to be an insult to anyone here (as the person who linked it said, you don’t endorse the video and just found it interesting).
That sort of temple situation seems like a great (and very Buddhist—I spent 6 months in Eastern Asia studying Buddhism from an anthropology angle) way to process the abortion for the mom and/or family. The grief of abortion can be super real. And when women get abortions in the US it is often a really, really difficult experience for them—just as it is in Asia. Because yeah, it’s a growing human, a child which is currently in the womb growing as a fetus (let’s also accept that both the word fetus and child are accurate, and most accurate when used in combination, but each side prefers to use the one or the other term because it makes them sound more correct). I’m sure some of my friends have gotten abortions but literally noone ever talks about it, because it’s a really hard and sad thing to talk about.
The people protesting are doing so for the right to have abortions, not because they think we should be getting abortions left and right at the drop of a hat, just for fun, with no thought for the value of human life. They want the individual to have the freedom to make that decision, under the premise that they know what is best for them and for their unborn child.
I think though that this video also falls victim to the exact party-line BS that it discusses. The same BS comes with every single news segment in the US, from CBS to Fox News. This video, coming from a right leaning perspective, naturally paints the pro-life team as an underdog, up against all the universities, corporations, government, etc. who are all somehow in a vast co-conspiracy together against the equally-homogenous group of people who the video identifies as losing this culture war. Even as tribalism and the internal rift in the US is identified as the issue in this video, that tribalism is reinforced by that narrative of “everyone versus us” the video purports. In addition, the pictures that accompany the tribalism narrative are all of left wing protestors. If you want to have a conversation about tribalism, include pictures of both tribes (e.g. planned parenthood protestors, Westboro baptist church, etc).
I see this shit all the time in liberal circles too, no exception. It’s just how we reaffirm our tribal identities and connect with the people in the one of two over-generalized parties that our society forces us to adopt, or wind up without a tribe.
I’ll reiterate my earlier sentiment: there is no solution to abortion that doesn’t produce suffering, it’s just a question of what kind of suffering you want to create. Neither side is considering the whole issue, and if either wants to have the better argument (or even begin to address the counter narratives of the opposing party in a constructive way), they have to at least consider the opposition’s views while also confronting the innate biases that their own group brings to the table.
WWLaidback
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Why not terminate everyone that is inconvenient to have around?
The unborn, the elderly, etc.?
I don't want to live in a society like that.
Do you?
Of course not. But I see a honor and courage in letting a newborn born gracefully pass onto their next life, rather than forcing them into a lifelong crucible of virtually-guaranteed suffering. to adopt the Buddhist narrative, at least in the next life they have a shot at a happy one.
*edited for clarity
WWLaidback
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Suffering in life is garanteed for everyone, even the wealthy.
It is especially bad for the elderly.
Find a witness that says, "gee I wish I was aborted instead", and you will find an atheist.
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Happy to: me.
Since I was born I’ve had crippling flares of fevers, arthritis, and fatigue because I was born with an autoimmune disease. I have bipolar I disorder. I’m doing fine in my life, I’m happy, but I will never have children because I don’t want them to go through what I’ve gone through. And that’s without financial hardship. I’ve made peace with my lot, I have friends, and life is good, but I absolutely would have skipped this one.
This is absolutely not make a big accusation or claim about how to see the world, but I don’t think you realize how many people in this world would rather not be in it. Life is so full of suffering, and others can only help so much to alleviate it. I mean, think about all of the musicians out there who have been so awfully sad, it’s not uncommon
WWLaidback
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“They both decided that this was going to be the end,” Jake Slates, a California Highway Patrol investigator was quoted by the AP. “That if they can’t have their kids that nobody was going to have those kids.”
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Lesbian couple:fatal accident with adopted kids 'committed murder-suicide'
A white lesbian couple who drove themselves and six adopted children off a cliff last year did so deliberately, a special coroner’s jury has ruled.
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What a tragic situation.“They both decided that this was going to be the end,” Jake Slates, a California Highway Patrol investigator was quoted by the AP. “That if they can’t have their kids that nobody was going to have those kids.”
Lesbian couple:fatal accident with adopted kids 'committed murder-suicide'
A white lesbian couple who drove themselves and six adopted children off a cliff last year did so deliberately, a special coroner’s jury has ruled.
With that I’m going to step out of this thread, I don’t think I have anything else to constructively contribute.
WWLaidback
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Well I'm sorry to hear that max.
My wife hasn't had a good day in more than 30 years.
Sometimes she wishes it was over.
I think all of us have felt that way sometime in their life.
We were given a life.
My sister has an autistic son that is completely unmanageable, and unable to work, but she never thought he should just die.
The difference is that we believe in a creator.
LazerBeakShiek
Rad Racing Team
Working on that..
Nah, Im just gonna pay my taxes, turn off the TV, and live my way. Hell wit it..SMILE BACK! Crooked bite!
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LazerBeakShiek
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If there is ever a true urgency, politics will not solve it. You would die first.
This thing is for people that get along. We dont even speak the same version of English to each other anymore.
This thing is for people that get along. We dont even speak the same version of English to each other anymore.
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LazerBeakShiek
Rad Racing Team
Why are so many mentally ill? Cant you just fake it enough to punch in, and drive yer route or whatever?
Its none of my business.
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Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
While I don't agree with everything you have said, I commend you on how you said it. I'm glad you have made it through the hardships you have suffered. A word of advice, if I may. Don't get too wrapped up in the discussions here. While on occasion amusing and enjoyable, often it is a downward spiral to frustration and anxiety where nothing really gets solved other than point scoring for either side. If one attempts to negotiate the middle, it is a lost cause.
Sometimes life seems short, other times long. Maybe both is happening at the same time. There is enjoyment and pleasure, and there is suffering. Again, perhaps both is happening at the same time, they are where you find them. An overabundance of either can lead to the other. A balance, a dance, if you will.
Dance.