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    In most cases it's newbs just trying to get an outside objective honest opinion and not generally to aware or concerned about forum etiquette ( is this the right place to be posting)

    Being honest without being a jerk is really not that hard. That said, when dealing with such a personal thing as vocals no matter how you try and sugar coat it some people are going to get offended no matter what.. If you're uncomfortable giving an opinion as you don't want to hurt feelings it is probably best just not to respond....or only respond when you have really good things to say...

    I try and be honest and there are sometimes where not saying anything is better than "putting it out there" so I just click away..and let the wolves have lunch...Gotta say the main players here now are much more kind than some of the gatekeepers of the past....man it could get ugly FAST!

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    I don't think we get too many angry responses as compared to the more reasonable ones. You have to expect some because its probably the most personal (music) topic most OP'ers will ever ask us about.

    I just think it gets under our skin when someone goes off and shoves back. I know it gets to me for sure. Actually.......I think we get a more OP's that just disappear after the first negative vibe.

    One thing I think we do wrong is to not ask the OP early on how THEY THINK they sound. Strengths....weaknesses? That way we can know what we're up against and might even be able to give better feedback....or chose to ignore the thread.

    As always.......just throwing out my 2 cents worth.
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    I think that singers or people learning to sing tend to be labelled as prima donnas. It kind of takes off from there. There are people whose instinctive reaction is to "put you in your place". That's is the primary reason why you need a thick skin.

    Take me, for example. You could bruise a rhino more easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickingtone View Post
    I think that singers or people learning to sing tend to be labelled as prima donnas. It kind of takes off from there. There are people whose instinctive reaction is to "put you in your place". That's is the primary reason why you need a thick skin.

    Take me, for example. You could bruise a rhino more easily.
    That's not a bad point..........as regards the average public........but I doubt that too many here on this forum would feel that way about singers. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I think the problem begins when well intentioned family and friends give a Budding singer false signals about their overall talent.......keeping in mind that family and friends may not have the "ear" to do otherwise anyway. You know.....coddled and encouraged.
    Just A Song Writer..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickingtone View Post
    There are people whose instinctive reaction is to "put you in your place". That's is the primary reason why you need a thick skin.
    Heh, with a join date of 2016, you don't know the half of it!
    You'd have needed that rhino skin a year or two earlier!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickster View Post
    That's not a bad point..........as regards the average public........but I doubt that too many here on this forum would feel that way about singers. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I think the problem begins when well intentioned family and friends give a Budding singer false signals about their overall talent.......keeping in mind that family and friends may not have the "ear" to do otherwise anyway. You know.....coddled and encouraged.
    To be honest it really is no different at all to 1st round X-factor/victorian freak-show (same thing).
    Some break down and cry, some freak out and fight, some start attack you and your credentials and some just exit immediately.
    Of course some take it on the chin and try, try, try again, but I bet everyone one of them has a Mommy who told them they were just super. :P

    I mean, that sounds nasty laying out out like that. Family+friends blowing smoke works great when it stays in that little bubble.
    The Xfactor stage, or some live gig, or this forum, are outside of that bubble though!
    Where self awareness or ability to self-critique is missing, that person's not going to have a good time.

    All of that said, I do love seeing 'Can I sing?' follow ups where the OP has put in a lot of work and come back better.
    That genuinely is really nice to see/hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steenamaroo View Post
    Heh, with a join date of 2016, you don't know the half of it!
    You'd have needed that rhino skin a year or two earlier!
    Caught the tail end of it!

    I tell you, some of the folk wished they were trying to take chunks out of a rhino, instead.

    I came here baked solid from experience on other forums! Actually, it goes way back. By time I was 12, I was practically built of mahogany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickster View Post
    That's not a bad point..........as regards the average public........but I doubt that too many here on this forum would feel that way about singers. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I think the problem begins when well intentioned family and friends give a Budding singer false signals about their overall talent.......keeping in mind that family and friends may not have the "ear" to do otherwise anyway. You know.....coddled and encouraged.
    You haven't met my family. I'd have to be a masochist to ask them what they think.

    In my experience you have to strike a balance between taking advice and being stubborn. Both are necessary, but must not extend to denial. If you simply get cowed by numbers of people saying one thing, it could work against you. When I first struck out on a singers forum, I got a shed load of indifferent responses, and advice on how to fix my deficiencies. But my stubborn streak kicked in, and I told myself not to pay undue attention to stylistic preferences, or how many people were saying what. I would listen mainly to points about more objective issues, like pitch and projection, rather than style.

    Eventually, I noticed that the few complimentary replies I was getting were ALL from classical singers (which is weird, since I was not into classical singing, at all). And when I stumbled on advice on youtube that I could relate to, it turned out that the authors were famous classical tenors. (I only realized later, so it wasn't confirmation bias). All the advice I had been rejecting before that, had been more contemporary techniques. So my stubbornness and intuition paid off, and I found what worked for me.

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