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    The good thing about writing a song is that there are no rules. There is of course a stucture of say intro, verse, bridge (optional-as all of it is), chorus, instrumental; then say middle eight, solo etc.

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    is there a site which explains basic song structure/writing etc.? before i buy a song writing video!

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    krystof01 is correct. You have basically
    intros, verses, choruses,bridges, middle sections (solos over the chord structure of any of the above mentioned or a totally differnt chord stucture maybe in another key.} endings. And you have tempo, time and
    key changes also. A typical song might go;
    intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, middle over the intro chord sructure, verse, chorus,
    end over the intro chord structure. You may
    want to listen to some of your favorite tunes
    and see how their parts fall and why you like
    them and that will help you understand how they are written. If you listen to some Hendrix, for example purple hazes middle solo
    I think it changes key and also in Wind Cries
    Mary and then reverts back to the original key for the rest of the song.

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    The only rule I've learned to follow is: Keep it interesting.


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    for most songs...don't let it have an ending...keeps the audience coming to their own conclusions and adds to a conversational piece


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    my writing is written freely no stop signs just go with what ever feels good,sounds good CREATIVITY what a wonderful word :-)

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    does the song stucture matter all that much...?

    sure having verses, intros, bridges, whatever helps, but i think that the structure should be different each song...makes for a bit moe variety...

    Tim

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    The song structure doesn't really matter but if you listen to any song they are constructed with verses choruses bridges etc.
    There are no strict rules of course but you
    should find that just about everything you
    listen to is written this way. There is no
    way to get around it or it wouldnt be a song.

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    On the other hand, LOADS of music is NOT done that way. Loads of the early OMD stuff isn't, for example. Take the great song "Enola Gay". It doesn't have a chorus. The same goes for most techno/dance/house/dnb stuff, btw.
    Almost NONE of the Iggy Pop songs has a standard structure. They are usually just one long heavy riff droning on and on for two and a half minutes. He gets some change in there by sometimes singing the song title and sometimes singing some kind of verse, but the music is the same all the time. Now, of course, if your gonna do that, you better have one heck of a riff.
    I go with Ron Galicias advice: Keep it interesting. If you can make something that can take being repeasted for 3 minutes you are to congratulate. Iggy and the Stooges could. Most people can't, and therefore do other things to keep up interest.

    Good things to do:
    1. Is the verse a bit boring, but the Chorus catchy? Start with the Chorus, but with an instrument playing the song melody instead of singing.

    2. The verse is good? Use the ELO Patented Verse Doubler (tm)! Have a double verse first time around.

    3. Put in a break before the last chorus so people doesn't get bored when you start repeating the chorus at the end.

    This results in The Ultimate Song Structure:
    Chorus(no singing), Verse, Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Verse, Break, Chorus to fade. This works for almost *any* song.


    [This message has been edited by regebro (edited 07-04-2000).]

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    There are many examples of past hits that do not have that verse/verse/chorus/blah/blah structure that seems to dominate, too predictably, the hits of today.

    The examples below made it to #1
    Hey Jude - Beatles
    If You Leave me Now - Chicago
    Time In A Bottle - Jim Croce
    Angie - Rolling Stones
    I Can See Clearly Now - Johnny Nash
    Ben - Michael Jackson
    Black & White - Three Dog Night
    Alone Again - Gilbert O'Sullivan
    Band On The Run - Paul McCartney

    Anything is possible. You be the judge @ what you feel is "good". When you write, turn yourself on (figuratively).

    Here's an example of a not so predictable structure of a song written by George Harrison. It went to #1 in June 1973. But, you'd have to hear this song to take hold of the song structure though.

    Give Me Love (Give me peace on earth)

    Give me love
    Give me love
    Give me peace on earth
    Give me light
    Give me life
    Keep me free from birth
    Give me hope
    Help me cope, with this heavy load
    Trying to, touch and reach you with,
    heart and soul

    OM M M M M M M M M M M M M M
    M M M My Lord . . .

    PLEASE take hold of my hand, that
    I might understand you

    Won't you please
    Oh won't you

    Give me love
    Give me love
    Give me peace on earth
    Give me light
    Give me life
    Keep me free from birth
    Give me hope
    Help me cope, with this heavy load
    Trying to, touch and reach you with,
    heart and soul

    OM M M M M M M M M M M M M M
    M M M My Lord . . .

    PLEASE take hold of my hand, that
    I might understand you.

    [This message has been edited by migo (edited 07-04-2000).]

    [This message has been edited by migo (edited 07-04-2000).]

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