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EDIT: WHoa, very sorry about the multiple postings... but HR.com started screwin up!! Here's the post... whatever... that never got posted 4 times
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k, this isn't the usual method I've used for writing songs (then again, I'm just taking songwriting/recording back up after being away for the better part of 6 years)... I'm just wondering if you've used something similar.
Had this partial tune lyin around for about 4 years... sittin' on the VS880 with just the first minute or so written... a while back, I pulled all the .wavs off and arranged them in Cubase VST/32... just getting around to this song now. (A rock tune with hard rock elements, and a lounge jazz feel in the verse...)
The structure WAS this:
A (intro), B (chorus - no words), C (verse), D (bridge), B (chorus)...
ended at 1:40, or so. After starting the project back up, I realized verse two was natural right after that so...
ABCDBC
Then, I got stuck. Spent all day yesterday, and most of the day before yesterday sitting there riffing, playing the song, getting the feel, trying to pull something out of my butt, knowing I wanted a heavy rock-out scream-if-you-got-lungs type section. Finally came up with a cool off-tempo riff (just guitar; no bass/drums yet) for the next part...
ABCDBC... E (heavy part)...
but the ending chord from the heavy part was something similar to a suspended 7th... leading me further away from the core of the song... I couldn't figure out how to get back. I was up and down the neck, trying different chord positions/forms/whatever to try to get back to tonic, but I got lost.
Thought about reusing a section, but couldn't off the top of my head decide. Here's what happened today: Took out a notebook, wrote out the structure (as I just did for you...) then tried to see what part (on paper) I could reuse next. As you may have chosen yourself, I tried
D
Worked Then, of course bridge (D) -> chorus so
ABCDBCE ... D (bridge, variation 1), B chorus...
I wanted the song to rock out at the end, so...
ABCDBCEDB (B/E) (heavy riff, with lead licks and vocal hook from chorus)
What I'd like to know is... does anybody else write songs like that? Do you sometimes have to break out the notebook to get an overview of the structure, then continue? Mind you, I've only ever had to do this two or three times... and I've written about 20 songs in 7 years (finally getting around to re-recording those woeful 4-track demos!)
Sometimes, the structure just flows very easily... but without writing the structure out, I could have easily followed that suspended 7th way out to pasture, messing around with second dominants, augmented ninths, and had about a 10 minute song
Your input would be interesting
Chad
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k, this isn't the usual method I've used for writing songs (then again, I'm just taking songwriting/recording back up after being away for the better part of 6 years)... I'm just wondering if you've used something similar.
Had this partial tune lyin around for about 4 years... sittin' on the VS880 with just the first minute or so written... a while back, I pulled all the .wavs off and arranged them in Cubase VST/32... just getting around to this song now. (A rock tune with hard rock elements, and a lounge jazz feel in the verse...)
The structure WAS this:
A (intro), B (chorus - no words), C (verse), D (bridge), B (chorus)...
ended at 1:40, or so. After starting the project back up, I realized verse two was natural right after that so...
ABCDBC
Then, I got stuck. Spent all day yesterday, and most of the day before yesterday sitting there riffing, playing the song, getting the feel, trying to pull something out of my butt, knowing I wanted a heavy rock-out scream-if-you-got-lungs type section. Finally came up with a cool off-tempo riff (just guitar; no bass/drums yet) for the next part...
ABCDBC... E (heavy part)...
but the ending chord from the heavy part was something similar to a suspended 7th... leading me further away from the core of the song... I couldn't figure out how to get back. I was up and down the neck, trying different chord positions/forms/whatever to try to get back to tonic, but I got lost.
Thought about reusing a section, but couldn't off the top of my head decide. Here's what happened today: Took out a notebook, wrote out the structure (as I just did for you...) then tried to see what part (on paper) I could reuse next. As you may have chosen yourself, I tried
D
Worked Then, of course bridge (D) -> chorus so
ABCDBCE ... D (bridge, variation 1), B chorus...
I wanted the song to rock out at the end, so...
ABCDBCEDB (B/E) (heavy riff, with lead licks and vocal hook from chorus)
What I'd like to know is... does anybody else write songs like that? Do you sometimes have to break out the notebook to get an overview of the structure, then continue? Mind you, I've only ever had to do this two or three times... and I've written about 20 songs in 7 years (finally getting around to re-recording those woeful 4-track demos!)
Sometimes, the structure just flows very easily... but without writing the structure out, I could have easily followed that suspended 7th way out to pasture, messing around with second dominants, augmented ninths, and had about a 10 minute song
Your input would be interesting
Chad