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    Yo Manslick BTW very cool that you got your Grand daughter to record with you! My oldest is 5 going on 25 gonna have to drag her out there and get some tracks down in the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_fleet View Post
    I average 16-24 vocal tracks on a song, depending on what I'm trying to pull off.
    Holy crap ... seriously? And these are keeper takes ... not takes from which you comp a lead vocal or something? What are you doing ... tripling or quadrupling every note you sing or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by famous beagle View Post
    Holy crap ... seriously? And these are keeper takes ... not takes from which you comp a lead vocal or something? What are you doing ... tripling or quadrupling every note you sing or something?
    I get that. I do backing vocals regularly for a guy. Usually the choruses have 4 part, sung twice, and sometimes I'll have octave duplicates of some of the lines.
    Anywhere between 8 + 16 tracks would be pretty normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by famous beagle View Post
    Holy crap ... seriously? And these are keeper takes ... not takes from which you comp a lead vocal or something? What are you doing ... tripling or quadrupling every note you sing or something?
    Well, I double everything like Steen said.. also there's alot of call-and-response type stuff and, for lack of a better word, "operatic" parts that dovetail together. It's not like there's 20 tracks firing at once. Here, I did a quick and dirty screen shot:



    Everything on the screen is a vocal track, and that's not even all of them... there are a few stragglers I couldn't zoom far out enough to get. But, like I was saying earlier, they're separated into groups and processed as such. My mom used to listen to Handel's Messiah and stuff like that when I was growing up. So this is my kind of low-rent trailer park version.
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    I'm in a tribute band, but we have spent six months recording BVs for a Carpenters tribute we were starting (and now scrapped as the only singer with the right voice is having a baby!)

    What amazed me were the Carpenter's harmonies - amazingly clever and complex - we spent ages pulling them apart, and spotting the little tricks Richard Carpenter used. It's also really interesting that copying and pasting from the previous verses or choruses rarely works because the second time the BVs would be different - either in inversions voices, or rhythm. I really learned a great deal from studying this so closely. Sometimes one line would be done four times - but each one was a different version on the left and right channels - so 8 voices on one part - usually with the male voice on just 2, the rest the female voice. Another trick was often to soften syllables on the harmonies, mangling the words to make them more melodic and less percussive than the main vocal singing often the same notes. Clever stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post
    What amazed me were the Carpenter's harmonies - amazingly clever and complex - we spent ages pulling them apart, and spotting the little tricks Richard Carpenter used.
    He definitely is a brilliant songwriter and musician. I have been dabbling with a few of their tunes and am really puzzled with what they do...your dissection experience is enlightening. There was a documentary on PBS about them recently. Equally impressive is that they pulled this stuff off live with all the musicians adding vocal parts...I remember knowing they were good but totally blowing them off as a teen because it was so middle of the road sugar coated as opposed to what was happening at the time in rock. Sure do appreciate what they did back then now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_fleet View Post
    Well, I double everything like Steen said.. also there's alot of call-and-response type stuff and, for lack of a better word, "operatic" parts that dovetail together. It's not like there's 20 tracks firing at once. Here, I did a quick and dirty screen shot:



    Everything on the screen is a vocal track, and that's not even all of them... there are a few stragglers I couldn't zoom far out enough to get. But, like I was saying earlier, they're separated into groups and processed as such. My mom used to listen to Handel's Messiah and stuff like that when I was growing up. So this is my kind of low-rent trailer park version.
    Gotcha... thanks for the screenshot and clarification. I guess I shouldn't have really been surprised when I think about the kind of polished stuff I hear on the radio. With me being primarily an analog guy, though, there was a bit of sticker shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by famous beagle View Post
    Gotcha... thanks for the screenshot and clarification. I guess I shouldn't have really been surprised when I think about the kind of polished stuff I hear on the radio. With me being primarily an analog guy, though, there was a bit of sticker shock.
    Yeah, analog's a different mindset. I saw someone in another thread make the analogy of programming for a Commodore 64 vs a new PC.. considerations of efficiency and all that, and I started on 4-track cassette myself so I can appreciate it. But now, even if I have one voice doing something low in the mix for a few seconds, I just give it it's own track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_fleet View Post
    there's a little Beyonce-inflection on just one melodic part
    ... you had me until Beyonce.
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