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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmys69 View Post
    Always more expense. Never under budget...

    Looking great man!
    Thanks!

    I knew I was going over a month into the build......but I was all-in, and I wouldn't cut corners or go cheap just to stay within budget.
    TBH...I anticipated that it was going to be about 25% more than the original quote...so it's not that I went over budget, rather I went over the original construction quote.
    I was mostly thinking that the closer I stay to the original quote...the more would be left over to spend on audio gear, but I'm not hurting for anything there.

    I'll still have enough of my original, total projection to toss on some more gear. I just need to see how much the acoustic treatment will add to the total price. I want to get some ready made diffusers, to along with what I have already, and some additional panels I may build myself...but I'm getting tired of the building stuff...I just want all this to be done.

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    I hear you about just wanting the stuff done. I moved on the 4th of February (more on that elsewhere) and have been running ragged since. Today I had to make myself relax and ice my sore left knee, in spite of so many boxes that need to be emptied and taken back to the house and refilled again. I'm almost done but it just doesn't seem to end. I've been giving stuff away trying to find home for the rest and a lot is just getting chucked in the landfill because I just don't have the time and energy left to deal with it anymore. You accumulate a lot of crap when you live somewhere for 55 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesfordan View Post
    I've been giving stuff away trying to find home for the rest and a lot is just getting chucked in the landfill because I just don't have the time and energy left to deal with it anymore. You accumulate a lot of crap when you live somewhere for 55 years.
    Tell me about it.

    I already asked my contractor about getting a 20 yard dumpster once I'm done so I can clean house. He had a 30 yard dumpster when they did the demo, and I tossed a bunch of larger/heavier items (it was packed to the top limit)...but I look around now, and I can see a LOT of stuff that I need to clear out...and I just don't have the time or energy to sit there and do yard sales, or eBay or C-list...or even to give it away...though I did pack up a bunch of clothes that I took the the Salvation Army at the end of December...but it's a lot of work to load/unload all the stuff.
    I thought about having a "Free" Yard Sale...but then, I would have to take all the stuff and lay it out, and then everything that is left, I still have to get rid of.

    No...the more I think about it, a 20 yard dumpster will allow me to not only clear out some unwanted furniture and house stuff, but also to clean out my two sheds and toss everything that has accumulated, that I have not used for the last 15-20 years, and will not need.
    Someone said there are goodwill/church organizations that will come and take it...but I STILL need to get it all laid out. I'm not going to have people come and walk around my house picking up things I point at.
    So the dumpster is looking like the simple solution...and TBH, I kinda hate going that route, since I believe anything that "can" be used, should be used...but that's how I ended up with 20 years worth of "stuff" that I don't really need.

    Believe it or not...some audio gear is going in that dumpster too. I will most likely toss my Tascam M3500 24-channel console, including a bunch of extra parts for it.
    I tried selling it...for really cheap...both on eBay and local musician classifieds...not a single person showed interest. I may list it locally one more time for "Free" because I hate to see a working, decent piece of gear get tossed...but very few people want something that size. It's a shame...but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    Believe it or not...some audio gear is going in that dumpster too. I will most likely toss my Tascam M3500 24-channel console, including a bunch of extra parts for it.
    I tried selling it...for really cheap...both on eBay and local musician classifieds...not a single person showed interest. I may list it locally one more time for "Free" because I hate to see a working, decent piece of gear get tossed...but very few people want something that size. It's a shame...but it is what it is.
    dang, I looked those up. Ai yi yi. That's a honking big piece of kit. Even for free I couldn't take anything like that, there's just no way. Good luck.

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    DAY 112

    Today (technically yesterday, Sunday)...I started getting some of the additional wall treatments I will be doing.
    These are 4' x 8' exterior wood siding panels known as T1-11, that are tongue-n-groove. I like to use the for interior wall treatment...because they have a very rough, porous surface, plus the grooves, and they are nice and thick. For exterior siding use, most people use the once that have 8" OC sections between the grooves...but they also make them with 4"OC sections, which look really great for interior wall treatment.

    I've used them before, in my current/old studio space...I stained them, and then put them on a couple of the walls...and they made a noticeable change to the sound in the room...much better than bare drywall.

    So for my new studio space, I'm again using the 4" OC panels, but this time I'm cutting them in half, lengthwise...trimming off the "tongues" and the excess groove and lip after cutting in half...so I end up with nice 2' x 8' panels (they actually end up 23.25" wide after trimming).
    Once all cut to size, they will be stained, some molding trim added, and then they will be placed on the walls at intervals, and in-between them will be broadband treatment (among other things).

    I also have a couple of sheets with the 8" OC panels...so I'll pick a spot for them, probably on my front wall. When I'm done, there will be 20 of these panels spread out on the 4 walls...with 8 on the back wall, 4 on each of the side walls, and 4 on the front wall.





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    I am in the same position with regard to 'junk' except I have not managed to summon up the 'steel' you are showing Miroslav. I have a bedroom and a loft nearly full of "things I will get around to doing something with one day". This is mainly electronic kit, amp parts and in my head I 'know' somebody has need of it and similar ideas to myself. I too would gladly give it away to a worthy party.

    But, (sigh) I know in my heart that it must be done and go to landfill.

    Cracking job, enjoy.

    Dave.

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    Those panels look interesting. never seen them in any kind here in the UK - I guess because wooden buildings are very rare. May I ask the rough cost? As a guide, 8x4 18mm ply (see how daft our measurements are here. Ply and MDF is 8x4 sheet size but sold in 9,12 and 18mm thickness but plasterboard is 1.2m x 2.4m so joints do not align!!) so that ply sheet costs just over $35.

    One thing I always meant to do in every build I have done but never done it, is draw a plan of where the vertical studs are. I've often got a drawing showing the placement, but this is always related to the starting one. By the time you have the sheet material in layers you lose the datum for measurement, as the corners are offset from the underlying timberwork. I spent ages yesterday trying to mount something heavy on a wall and kept finding plaster - I know the stud is there but damned if I can find it. It would be as simple as a few lines on the inside so you could remeasure once the walls are up! Every time, I mean to do this, but always forget,

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post
    Those panels look interesting. never seen them in any kind here in the UK - I guess because wooden buildings are very rare. May I ask the rough cost? As a guide, 8x4 18mm ply (see how daft our measurements are here. Ply and MDF is 8x4 sheet size but sold in 9,12 and 18mm thickness but plasterboard is 1.2m x 2.4m so joints do not align!!) so that ply sheet costs just over $35.

    One thing I always meant to do in every build I have done but never done it, is draw a plan of where the vertical studs are. I've often got a drawing showing the placement, but this is always related to the starting one. By the time you have the sheet material in layers you lose the datum for measurement, as the corners are offset from the underlying timberwork. I spent ages yesterday trying to mount something heavy on a wall and kept finding plaster - I know the stud is there but damned if I can find it. It would be as simple as a few lines on the inside so you could remeasure once the walls are up! Every time, I mean to do this, but always forget,
    Ha! I have given up trying to mount stuff onto my old bungalow walls. The bricks are very hard and if you do get a hole drilled it has wandered out of place but most of the time I hit plaster which is not strong.

    My solution therefore was to use a sheet of 19mm MDF and stick the fekker up with No Nails having previously put at least 4 holes in it. I then drill and bash a plastic plug through and pull the board tight to the wall before the glue has set. Even if the screws don't all hit brick they can still take large loads parallel to the wall.
    I can then get the fixings perfectly aligned for my Tannoy monitors!

    Of course, if/when the lot is taken down most of the plaster will come with it but that is the kid's problem!

    Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post
    Those panels look interesting. never seen them in any kind here in the UK - I guess because wooden buildings are very rare. May I ask the rough cost? As a guide, 8x4 18mm ply (see how daft our measurements are here. Ply and MDF is 8x4 sheet size but sold in 9,12 and 18mm thickness but plasterboard is 1.2m x 2.4m so joints do not align!!) so that ply sheet costs just over $35.

    One thing I always meant to do in every build I have done but never done it, is draw a plan of where the vertical studs are. I've often got a drawing showing the placement, but this is always related to the starting one. By the time you have the sheet material in layers you lose the datum for measurement, as the corners are offset from the underlying timberwork. I spent ages yesterday trying to mount something heavy on a wall and kept finding plaster - I know the stud is there but damned if I can find it. It would be as simple as a few lines on the inside so you could remeasure once the walls are up! Every time, I mean to do this, but always forget,
    These are about 5/8" thick, and they cost about $35 per 4' x 8' sheet...regardless of 4" OC or 8" OC sections.

    AFA the studs location...I went around with a marker and noted the center of each stud on my sub-floor. Now that the drywall is all in, I'm going to mark the same studio locations on the bottom edge of the drywall (since the sub-floor will be covered soon). I also have tons of pictures that I could use as a guide if needed, but with the new construction, and having been present as it all went up...I know that all the studs and rafters are 16" OC (and they line up to each other), and they were all laid out pretty accurately, with the exception being around the window frames where there are triple studs, so you can't miss.
    They do make stud finders (never used one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by annaxamr View Post
    My colleague who works on the Gradle build features just looked at this thread, and he said that he's looking into how he can make this documentation better.
    I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to...or that he's looking to do...?

    It's my documentation thread...I'm just posting info as it comes along, and when feel it's necessary. I wasn't looking to create some build guideline documentation or anything formal. It's just my way of following my build.
    Kinda like vacation photos...very informal documentation.

    Might as well add some update...

    DAY 115

    My bathroom shower/wall tile was finished today with grouting. Tomorrow they start the floor tile for the foyer/hallway/bathroom. Hope to see that finished in the next few days...not sure if they will do any work over the weekend.

    My electrician is supposed to show up tomorrow or Saturday to finish up the last of the wiring.

    In the mean time, I've been working on the wood wall treatment stuff. Ended up being short one piece of siding, so I got that last night and finally completed all the cuts for each of the panels. They will be running from floor to ceiling...so each section of panel is made from two of the cut 8' pieces, with the top portion (whatever size was needed to reach the ceiling) on most of the pieces needing an angled cut where it meets the slope of the ceiling. I only have two sections where they hit the flat, vaulted part of the ceiling...they top out at just over 12'...so 8' + 4' pieces.

    Tonight I'm going to give the face of the panels a quick, rough sanding...since this siding has a very rough, porous front surface. I don't want to sand it smooth...rather just to knock of some of the loose particles. Then I'm going to apply some stain to them (I went with a Golden Oak) to give them a nice look...and then I will screw them in their designated location, also adding a liberal amount of elastomeric caulk, which will help deaden the panels and prevent any vibration.
    Finally I will add trim along the edges...maybe painted in some contrasting color, like the rest of my trim...or maybe I stain them the same as the panels.
    When they are completely installed, there will be empty wall between the panels, which will then used to hang broadband traps...probably two 2' x 4' panels set vertically in each of the empty wall slots, on the back 10' wall and the gable walls...and one panel each on the 8', front wall.
    I will also be hanging traps on the ceiling...but right now I'm not thinking about where they will go or how many...though I'm expecting to end up with at least (30) 2' x 4' broadband traps in the room...plus some deep bass traps, two in each back corner, one in each front corner...and then finally some diffusion panels in a few key spots.

    I'm trying to consider everything that may yet be needed for the walls/ceiling...so planning out where to put these wood siding panels was an important first step...that way the broadband & bass traps will have places where they will go, without having stuff on top of each other. I want all the wall treatment to not just have some functional purpose...but to look like it was all part of the room design.
    Last edited by miroslav; 02-20-2020 at 16:18.

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