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    sometimes I think it would be less expensive just to rent some time at a recording studio facility

    Buuuut, that still doesn't stop me from wanting my own private studio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch View Post
    Visual aid.

    Attachment 104637
    None of that applies to my build.

    How To Install Resilient Sound Isolation Clips

    This page will give you and idea how the drywall gets installed and is decoupled from the studs, and from the other sections (ceiling, floor).
    So there are no hard connections between studs, joists or floor to the double layered drywall.
    There are brackets for adding electric receptacles and the wiring is attached to the studs...so there are minimal transmission points, which are additionally dampened with acoustic caulk, etc.

    The only thing I have to sort out is maybe the baseboard heat plumbing. It will most likely be connected to the decouple drywall and hat channels...so the only hard connection is where it enters from the utility/heat source...but that will be only one spot, and internal, so sound transmission is not going to be affected in any negative way. I don't have another studio or neighbors on the other side of the walls.
    The primary focus is to reduce the noise transmission to the exterior walls, and ceiling/roof...etc....which will all be handled by the decoupled walls, the insulation in the walls, an of course, some added acoustic treatments on the interior for the final, finished layer.

    My cooling will be done by a ductless AC system, with a single passive vent system running down the center beam at the top of the ceiling....and that system is only for the studio, so there are no ducts/channels to spread any noise, or whatever in/out to other rooms, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesfordan View Post
    sometimes I think it would be less expensive just to rent some time at a recording studio facility

    Buuuut, that still doesn't stop me from wanting my own private studio.
    Going to a commercial facility is great, if you can afford a really good one, and if you have your shit together, song material wise and performance wise.
    You would need a band of sorts...or pay for studio musicians, unless you had the time and budget to do one track at a time yourself while the clock $$ ticked away.

    So you would want to go in, bang it out, and that's it. You might have a budget or time to make some tweaks during the process...but it's usually a pretty defined start/end timeframe...and then what you have is locked in.
    A month or two later, when you want to record some more...you would have to repeat that and again, toss down more cash and then live with the end result that was achieved in the timeframe your budget allowed.

    There's a good reason and a time to do things like that...but it can be costly, and it has it's creative limitations...which can be welcome, but a lot of people also don't do well under the gun.

    The real point here is that building your own studio isn't about just the need to track a few songs...to get one album done...etc. It's about having a permanent audio playground, at your disposal 24/7, with no limitations. You would have to live in a commercial studio to have that same opportunity.

    For me, this is also about the end of a 30+ year journey. This build will be the 5th iteration of my private studio space, and probably the last one, unless I hit the lottery and could afford to just go and buy a commercial million dollar facility.

    Each of the previous studio versions were building blocks...getting more and more involved, and more improved. I currently have pretty much all the gear one could need or think of for a good pro setup, but of course, some gear can still be improved on and upgraded...and the amount of gear has outgrown my current space.
    Oh, I could live with my current space, and it wouldn't be a real bad thing...but I have the opportunity to now have the kind of space that would really complement the gear, and vice-versa....not to mention, my own knowledge and skills have also improved with each studio revision...so this is really a long-term dream coming to reality, as best as I can make it happen, and TBH, it will be quite good, and while there will still be plenty of million dollar studios to drool over...when finished, my new studio space won't be too shabby, to say the least.

    So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that no big wrenches get tossed into the gears during the building and installation process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    None of that applies to my build.

    How To Install Resilient Sound Isolation Clips

    This page will give you and idea how the drywall gets installed and is decoupled from the studs, and from the other sections (ceiling, floor).
    So there are no hard connections between studs, joists or floor to the double layered drywall.
    There are brackets for adding electric receptacles and the wiring is attached to the studs...so there are minimal transmission points, which are additionally dampened with acoustic caulk, etc.

    The only thing I have to sort out is maybe the baseboard heat plumbing. It will most likely be connected to the decouple drywall and hat channels...so the only hard connection is where it enters from the utility/heat source...but that will be only one spot, and internal, so sound transmission is not going to be affected in any negative way. I don't have another studio or neighbors on the other side of the walls.
    The primary focus is to reduce the noise transmission to the exterior walls, and ceiling/roof...etc....which will all be handled by the decoupled walls, the insulation in the walls, an of course, some added acoustic treatments on the interior for the final, finished layer.

    My cooling will be done by a ductless AC system, with a single passive vent system running down the center beam at the top of the ceiling....and that system is only for the studio, so there are no ducts/channels to spread any noise, or whatever in/out to other rooms, etc.
    Seems to be a Pliteq product.Might end up having one of my old tires in your wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch View Post
    Seems to be a Pliteq product.Might end up having one of my old tires in your wall.
    As long as there's no mud on it...it will be OK.

    I've looked at multiple "sound/acoustics" websites...read Rod Gervais' book...and the RSIC clips and the metal channels are pretty much described in all of them as the way to go for drywall installation. I'm sure there are more uber-pro commercial ways to build a million dollar studio from the ground up, not to mention the types of products that could available (I was just looking at this months Mix magazine "Class of 2019" studio builds)...but as always, expectations and plans have to coincide with assigned budgets...so for what I'm building (which is going to cost a bit), this is kinda the level and type of construction that will yield the best results from what I'm seeing. Plus, there's still some more details to be planned out, and I haven't even begun to pick out the final, finished treatments that will go inside, which will add to the overall results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    As long as there's no mud on it...it will be OK.

    I've looked at multiple "sound/acoustics" websites...read Rod Gervais' book...and the RSIC clips and the metal channels are pretty much described in all of them as the way to go for drywall installation. I'm sure there are more uber-pro commercial ways to build a million dollar studio from the ground up, not to mention the types of products that could available (I was just looking at this months Mix magazine "Class of 2019" studio builds)...but as always, expectations and plans have to coincide with assigned budgets...so for what I'm building (which is going to cost a bit), this is kinda the level and type of construction that will yield the best results from what I'm seeing. Plus, there's still some more details to be planned out, and I haven't even begun to pick out the final, finished treatments that will go inside, which will add to the overall results.
    Yes,noticed a lot of lipstick and mascara going on.Heavy on the interior design with pretty much the same stuff under the skin.
    Sound waves won't know the difference it's a boundary surface to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch View Post
    I just read some stuff about Funkhaus in Tape Op a few months back, it was another guy that uses the place.
    I don't know how old that video is, but in the magazine, there were some comments about the uncertainty of its future at this time...that it will need a serious investment to be maintained and/or brought back to full operation.

    The place is just amazing, and even the video doesn't really show how big it is and that it's a complex of studios and rooms, plus the big hall, etc.

    It's places like that, and of course, many of the "Class of" studios shown in Mix over the years that have always provided me with both big dreams, but also great ideas about treatment options, etc. I mean...under the skin, they have their mechanics, but it's important how a place also looks.
    The way they married the aesthetics with functionality in the Funkhaus is just beautiful. mostly natural finishes of wood and stone.
    God how I hate seeing the project/home studios these days, basically covered it traps...they look awful. Yeah, there's a need, but I think people could take a little time and effort and try to build in some different treatments instead of just hanging 40-50 traps on every surface until there really is no aesthetic worth seeing.

    That one thing I'm hoping to do with this new build is minimize that kind of treatment approach, and hopefully allow the room to work without stuffing the shit out of it with traps.

    I've already got the angled ceiling in the design, and I am considering doing a very small split angle on the back wall too...kind like when you look up at a 'V' ceiling, and then doing something similar to the back wall...but it would not be perceivable. Basically find the center point, and then "split" at that point and bring each of the wall ends in by like just 1-2", creating a horizontal V, and then in that split center, doing a wall to ceiling diffuser of some sort, plus a couple more smaller ones on each side...but the center one would hide the "split".
    I would leave the side walls straight and parallel, and on them, also add some diffusion.

    It might be too much for the contractor to deal with...he was already asking me at least 3 times if we really needed to do the double 5/8" drywall, and if the clips and furring channels would hold (which they will)...but to do that split V on the back wall, the studs would then need to be furred out in some staggered way before the furring channels are attached. It might be too complicated.
    If not, I will just do more diffusion...which like in the Funkhaus video, is the better way to go if you can, and I'll just stick some heavy bass trapping in the back corners.

    Most likely though, I will hang some traps from the ceiling which will remain drywall, that way I can avoid flutter echo. I think rather then hanging them the typical 4" off the ceiling surface...I will use wire, and suspend then further, that way the traps hang parallel to the floor, and can catch reflection going up, and whatever comes off the ceiling surface.

    At any rate, I will be focused on the aesthetics quite a lot, rather than just loading up treatment with that "more is better" mindset.
    I want to room to be multi-purpose good...tracking and mixing, so I want to find the best balance for both.

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    The "V" was quite popular in the old days.Both vertical and horizontal.
    Check out RCA Studio B and EastWest Studios for inspiration.
    I prefer the utilitarian look.Form follows function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch View Post
    I prefer the utilitarian look.Form follows function.
    I don't care for many of the very ornate studios...or the very modern/sterile looking ones, devoid of any color.
    My favorite studios are ones that "got some wood"... ...nice floor, some wood diffusers, a few reclaimed wood beams here and there, etc...but otherwise clean lines with natural looking finishes, nothing overdone and looking like a modern art museum.

    I wasn't aware of that about RCA Studio B.
    There was a nice spread in one of the magazines about Studio A and Dave Cobb resurrecting it back to much of it's original glory.

    The "V" thing was just something that popped into my head as I was considering the saltbox shape of my planned studio design, with the high wall being at the back, and then I thing maybe it would be cool to also make that back wall into a very subtle "V"...which combined with the ceiling "V" and the way the back will open up higher with a 10' wall, while the front with the longer sloped side of the roof/ceiling will be an 8' wall....should make for good natural diffusion.

    I'm meeting with the architect for the first time tomorrow...and the contractor will be here too...so I may toss that slight "V" idea at them and see if it would be a fairly straight forward thing to do. I know if you just frame it like that, then it's all easy from there...but that wall is an outside wall, and I want it to be straight on the outside...so I think to get the inside wall to be a mild "V"...we would have to "shim" out the ends and do some kind of wedging to the studs before applying the clips, furring channels and drywall.
    It's an idea...

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    I see.I was assuming the "V" after the fact on top of the drywall(finish carpentry).
    I like wood.You like wood.Some wood.
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