Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13

Thread: Monitor Switches?

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Niagara Falls, NY
    Posts
    1
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Monitor Switches?

    Sign in to disable this ad
    Hello, Iíve been on this forum for a little while but have not been active... Until today. Iíve been trying to figure out how I could switch between two pairs of monitors on the fly while mixing. I have a pair of Yamaha HS8ís and a smaller pair of KRK Rokit 5ís that I want to use for checking out mixes done on the HS8ís as a form of reference. But I hate having to switch all of the cords and all of that just to listen to the smaller KRKís. Iíve been looking online at Passive Monitor switches. But Iím still a little confused as to how they work and what one would be the right one for me. I use Reaper + Pro Tools on a Windows 10 computer that I built myself, but mainly, I use Reaper. I have a Scarlett 18i20 for my interface as well as a presonus talkback system and a channel strip/snake in the live room for micíing up drum kits/bands and etc. I donít have the routing/signal chain directly in front of me, as I am at my 9-5 at the moment. But I was wondering if anyone can clue me in as to what might possibly be the best bang for my buck and what switch I could use that would be compatible for my DAW(s) and etc. Iíve never thought about using one of these until now. So please excuse me if I seem to be a newbie. Lol!

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    1,017
    Thanks
    198
    Thanked 121 Times in 114 Posts
    Rep Power
    2383180
    Your question is a good one. I use two different sets of monitors (for mix comparison) and I use an Art Split Mix 4 to get the job done. You can take the main from a headphone out or monitor out or line out and direct the signal to where you want. All inputs and outputs are stereo 1/4" plug. It works a little like a headphone splitter but can be configured many ways for your needs. Each input or output can be adjusted for volume. It's passive so there's no need for a power supply and I think that helps to eliminate excess or stray noise in your signal path. You can....if you want to.....direct your output to 4 different things.......or have 2 outputs and two different inputs....and a host of other options. I've tried headphone amps but I think they color the sound to some degree.
    Just A Song Writer..........

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    northampton uk home of Dr Who and Blackstar Amps!
    Posts
    9,994
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 667 Times in 631 Posts
    Rep Power
    9374894
    Hello long time lurker!
    Yes, good question and one I would like to answer in some depth?
    I bought myself a passive controller, the Mackie Big Knob. My controller is mainly to allow other input sources as I only have one pair of monitors, Tannoy 5As but it does of course have the capability to switch between two sets of monitors.

    There are technical objections to passive controllers but the main one is possible HF loss from cable capacitance from the far from zero impedance of the control potentiometer. In practice, with a 10k Ohm pot the output resistance can never be more than about 2.5k. Not ideal but for short cable runs to the monitors no great problem. My Tannoys are on about 3mtrs of two core "mic" cable and sound just as they did straight out of the AI (NI KA6)

    The other side of the coin is objection to active controllers. Really not justified in my view. A couple of high grade op amps in the signal path are very unlikely to be audible, in fact their very low output resistance might make the monitor amps a bit quieter!

    However! If it is JUST monitor switching you need and you can solder and drill metal all you need is a 4 pole changeover switch in a tin and some cables.

    Dave.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Niagara Region Canada
    Age
    53
    Posts
    155
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts
    Rep Power
    37538
    From the manual...

    G

    screenshot_2019-08-01-scarlett18i20-user-guideeng-pdf-png

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    northampton uk home of Dr Who and Blackstar Amps!
    Posts
    9,994
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 667 Times in 631 Posts
    Rep Power
    9374894
    That is a useful feature of the AI I was unaware of Sasquatch, is the switching simple? Maybe can be set as a keyboard shortcut?

    Software settings are rarely as convenient as a hardware button and I for one like having an alalogue pot on my main speaker feed!

    Dave.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    1,017
    Thanks
    198
    Thanked 121 Times in 114 Posts
    Rep Power
    2383180
    ecc83.....you make a good point about possible potential HF loss using a passive controller pot. In my setup the Split4 mixer is using less than 3 ft of cable to each monitor and I keep the pot for each unused output turned completely down when I'm not listening to that set. I have checked for both frequency loss and possible phase issues as well by comparing to the direct out from my AI. There does not seem to be much if any audible change. The input impedance for the Split4 is 25k - 100k ohms. The output impedance is 1k - 4k ohms. There is certainly a volume loss of about 12db which you can of course hear. For those who have a desk setup with near fields on the desk or fairly near.......I would think that the Split4 wouldn't be an issue. For a cost of around $69 it's not a bad option.
    Just A Song Writer..........

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    northampton uk home of Dr Who and Blackstar Amps!
    Posts
    9,994
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 667 Times in 631 Posts
    Rep Power
    9374894
    Just FYI? A random hit on Van Damme "toure grade" mic cable gives me a core to screen capacitance of 105pf/mtr and so for a 2.5k source you would need 30mtrs of that to give a -3dB point at 20kHz.

    I think most home setups will be fine!

    Dave.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Chicago area, probably looking for more coffee.
    Age
    52
    Posts
    8,844
    Thanks
    65
    Thanked 206 Times in 144 Posts
    Rep Power
    16180575
    If you want to go another step up in flexibility without breaking the bank -- Monitor Station V2 | PreSonus

    Assuming it uses some guts similar to the Central Station (I was using one while my Avocet was being built and I gotta say, the bang for the buck factor of that thing was around 9.7), you're getting all the routing options and control you'd probably need plus the ability to plug in different sources without having to route through the computer. The Central Station was A-or-B-plus-C also, so if you add a sub at some point, again - freakish control over the situation.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ranelagh Tasmania
    Age
    68
    Posts
    7,837
    Thanks
    211
    Thanked 616 Times in 499 Posts
    Rep Power
    21474857
    I use Presonus Central Station, which works fine and is worth the investment.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Lowell Street Studio, New England
    Posts
    12,161
    Thanks
    19
    Thanked 571 Times in 543 Posts
    Rep Power
    18632360
    I think the Mackie Big Knob is the least expensive option, I'm very happy with mine. I had a double need for it - 2 computers.
    Mike B My new album on CD Baby: Fact and Fiction
    My Bandcamp site: http://mikebirchmusic.bandcamp.com

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to mjbphotos For This Useful Post:


Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Wah wah switches
    By JDOD in forum The Rack
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 06-13-2015, 02:28
  2. Pots/Switches
    By Mike3354 in forum Guitars and Basses
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 05-31-2007, 05:27
  3. Low Cut and Pad switches.
    By Neito in forum Microphones
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-29-2007, 13:10
  4. switches?
    By notbradsohner in forum Microphones
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-10-2004, 15:08
  5. Monitor Extn. Cable & KVM Switches w/ Cordless?
    By Booda in forum Digital Recording & Computers
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-14-2003, 01:05

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •