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    more questions and not sure if I should start new thread. I've made changes that will allow me to put my monitors on the sides of my desk hutch. I've seen many pictures of people angling the face of their monitors towards the apex of the sweet position triangle. Usually they're sitting on a shelf with no vertical surface beside the monitor. I don't have the exact measurements yet but there will be about a foot of the side of the hutch beside each monitor.



    that powerbar on the side of the hutch was just for accessories and will be moved.
    should the monitors be flush with the edge of the hutch and squared, or do I want the face of the monitors angled towards my seating position? I'll worry about sound treatment after I figure this out. FYI the distance to the walls L and R respectively of the hutch are 49 and 17 inches. There's really no option for centering the desk due to a closet door on the wall behind the desk.

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    The usual practice is to have the monitors at ear height and facing towards the listener's position. My understanding is that the optimum configuration is an equilateral triangle.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C2AzgwBtzy...aul+Triang.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesfordan View Post
    ...should the monitors be flush with the edge of the hutch and squared, or do I want the face of the monitors angled towards my seating position?
    Angled in toward your mix position, but make the inside edge of the monitors flush with the hutch...so basically, the outside corners of the monitors will be hanging over the edge a bit, unless you also angle the shelves you are adding.

    AFA centering the whole thing...looks to me like you have some kind of shelf/audio gear (the stuff with the tape measure on it) to the left of the hutch. Why can't you move that and then center the hutch...which would be much better than pushed to one side like that...?

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    I'm with everybody else on this one. Centered in the room roughly 1/3 back from the short wall (assuming the room is rectangular) with the monitors angled in about 30 degrees. Ear height is also a good place to start with the mix position just slightly inside the equilateral triangle formed by the speakers and the mixing position.

    After you assume this basic theoretically optimal position, add your room treatments following the standard theoretical setup. This includes a cloud, corner bass traps, and panels at the first reflection points. After that, I would look into the idea of measuring your room. Because everything you've done thus far is just a theoretical setup based on the average hypothetical space--not your room. Unless you measure, I'm afraid you will never know.

    Now, that doesn't mean you can't have fun or even mix decent songs. You might be able to figure out, though trial and error, a way to get mixes that translate well. But I would argue that it's better to get things right before engaging in the trial and error process. Unless, of course, you want to spend the rest of your natural life riding around in cars.

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    the room is almost perfectly square 10x10. I concede the centering of the desk along the wall is optimal although I'm not so sure I'll be able to come 1/3 out from the wall, might be closer to 1/4 or 1/5 but once the desk has no side units I'll see how the room feels if I pull it out further from the wall.

    you're right about the stuff on the left of the hutch, it is really preventing centering of the desk. However I just thought of something. IF there is only the desk along that wall, it frees up the possibility of free-standing speaker pedestals instead of shelves on the side of the hutch for the monitors. Is this a viable idea?

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    Those monitors look very small in the pic. Do you have a sub? Not sure what they are but since you're re-setting your listening situation you may want to at least plan spacing for bigger / better monitors somewhere down the line. Your idea about monitor stands seems like the way to go.
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    LOL, oops. Those aren't the monitors, they're just some old radio shack minimus 7s that are hooked up to the old kenwood receiver in the hutch. I sort of use them for monitoring. My monitors will be JBL 308P MKII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesfordan View Post
    the room is almost perfectly square 10x10. I concede the centering of the desk along the wall is optimal although I'm not so sure I'll be able to come 1/3 out from the wall, might be closer to 1/4 or 1/5 but once the desk has no side units I'll see how the room feels if I pull it out further from the wall.
    A 10x10 room is a rough one. I also assume you have an 8ft. ceiling. This makes the room both small and square. And that's a tough combination, even with the right treatment and the right placement. Most folks would tell you to find another room. If that's not possible, I'd do some research on placement and treatment strategies for square rooms. Given the depth of the room, you're right: you may not have too many choices but up against the wall.

    I'd still suggest looking at room measurement. The software (REW) is free and workable measurement microphones are typically less than $100. You can measure a variety of placements and see which one works best. Or, more likely, is the least worst setup.

    If you just want a simple approach, I would download some test tones just focusing on the low frequency range (say 50hz, 75hz, 125hz, 150hz, and 200hz. Play the tone through your monitors, and walk around the room listening for changes. You will probably run into a lot a variance and even spots where there is almost no sound. This will give you a sense of the problems you will face when mixing at a given location and help you decide where to set up. At minimum, it will tell you where your mixes are likely to be problematic.

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    to paraphrase Yoda and Kenobi's cryptic "No, there is another" exchange from TESB, the room next to my current music room is another possibility of a music room. It is ~99" x 162", with a dormer ceiling along the long axis. It shares a 'vestibule' with the current room. There is a closet on the entryway's left wall and a crawl space attic access door in the dormer wall. It has base board heat along the exterior wall that is 3" in depth so there is really 159 inches of floor space along the long axis. I included a picture and no, I didn't chose the color my youngest brother did.



    I was going to make this a combination workshop/storage area. However it is for now available IF it seems that it would be a better room for treating than a near perfect cube that the current room is.

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    Well.......both of them are pretty small rooms and both of them will present issues for monitor playback and for recording. To add to that.......the 308's are excellent monitors but might produce a little TOO much bass for either room. I suppose you could EQ to address that. Bass trapping will need to be extensive......taking up more space. Sometimes less is better in small spaces when it comes to a monitors bass performance. Before going too much further........let's see what the guys here say about which room to choose and then you can go from there. Even though the other room is 10x10 and square........the higher ceiling might be a benefit as opposed to a dormer / slanted ceiling. I think the dormer room might be too small width wise..........but hey.........that's just a guess on my part.
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