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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    Boy...what a car wreck of a thread!

    Heck...for the two weeks spent asking a lot of questions and rejecting or misunderstanding most of the answers, while at the same time saying none of this was for any serious audio recording, and a willingness to accept failure on whatever homebrewed experiments were tried...

    ...the best thing would have been to just go ahead and do whatever seemed "right", even if it wasn't...and then experience the results first-hand instead of theorizing endlessly.

    Well...have fun.
    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    What I find puzzling (and maybe it was explained somewhere in the 86 posts)...is 1.) how/why is sound penetrating a concrete wall...?...are there some transmission points that are not concrete...?....and 2.) why anyone would think that adding a thin layer of wood would really help that problem...???
    I mean, if the sound is going through the concrete...it would take a REALLY thick second wood wall w/insulation layer to improve the problem. If anything, just adding layers of sheetrock type material to the concrete, to increase the concrete density would be the better way for soundproofing...and once the desired amount was reached, then add the appropriate treatment to all that.
    Of course....that involves some serious work and material and cost, which apparently is not the desired path.

    So I say, slap whatever seems "right"...and proceed with a "trial & error" approach. Those are always educational, and sometimes fun, even if they don't get you what you want. At least you find out what doesn't work.
    Maybe you wouldn't find things so puzzling if you actually read the thread before coming in and insulting me.

    No one DOES think adding a thin layer of wood on part of one wall would soundproof a room. You're spot on about "educational" and "fun", unfortunately this thread is really neither of those. Certainly not "fun".

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitzer View Post
    Maybe you wouldn't find things so puzzling if you actually read the thread before coming in and insulting me.

    No one DOES think adding a thin layer of wood on part of one wall would soundproof a room. You're spot on about "educational" and "fun", unfortunately this thread is really neither of those. Certainly not "fun".
    I did read the whole thread...and that's why I said what I said, and I wasn't "insulting" you, I was stating the reality of the whole thread.
    One thing is clear is that everyone in the thread (people who certainly know enough about the basics of studio treatment) are all still unclear what it is you're really trying to achieve or the manner in which you're going about doing it.

    It's like...every time someone gave you suggestions....you came back with your own perspective on how you want or should do it. So why even ask?
    So I say again...just go ahead and do whatever it is you think you should...and learn hands-on what is right or wrong with it. I mean. Why keep asking questions when you aren't following anything anyone is suggesting?

    Yes...studio treatment can be frustrating for a variety of reasons, but when you don't know anything about it, your best bet is to follow the suggestions of those who do, and stop trying to reinterpret and come up with your alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    I did read the whole thread...and that's why I said what I said, and I wasn't "insulting" you, I was stating the reality of the whole thread.
    One thing is clear is that everyone in the thread (people who certainly know enough about the basics of studio treatment) are all still unclear what it is you're really trying to achieve or the manner in which you're going about doing it.
    Are you sure? I just re-read the first page and especially the first post, many times. What exactly is unclear? The only thing I can think of right off the bat is that I said I'd add the colour legend for the diagram there and I forgot to do that, but since you read the whole thread you must have seen it on whichever page it was when I made the drawing. Anyway, to me that's pretty clear and especially people who know the basics and much more would easily be able to deduce the meaning of the different colours.

    The entire first PAGE is very friendly discussion, not heated at all, no arguments, nothing negative. It was some time after that when it went nuts (talking about the mechanics of freaking WALL PLUGS...!? and all that crazy stuff that had NOTHING to do with the original topic)

    It's like...every time someone gave you suggestions....you came back with your own perspective on how you want or should do it. So why even ask?
    So I say again...just go ahead and do whatever it is you think you should...and learn hands-on what is right or wrong with it. I mean. Why keep asking questions when you aren't following anything anyone is suggesting?
    I ask questions because I'm interested. Interested in the "why" more than the "what". That's what has been lacking, looking at this from my perspective. I've tried to target even very specific things and rarely has anyone just explained in a few short sentences WHY this or that won't do something. People with several decades of experience building studios would absolutely be able to do that. I've worked as a teacher for many, many years. University. Explaining to others things you just know is sometimes difficult, but not at all impossible. It might take a minute, but if you actually know your stuff, you can do it.

    And "read the [some sort of "bible" or "magnum opus"]" is not an answer. If you're asked a specific question and you claim to be an expert, give a specific answer instead of wasting peoples time.

    Yes...studio treatment can be frustrating for a variety of reasons, but when you don't know anything about it, your best bet is to follow the suggestions of those who do, and stop trying to reinterpret and come up with your alternatives.
    What, I don't know anything about it? How do you figure that?

    Miroslav, the reason I read your first post as "insulting", is the part where you said I rejected everything, misunderstood everything, being completely incoherent about everything... that wasn't all just me. Neither could I alone correct it when it started going wrong. I have zero need to get confrontational with you btw. That last post, you see, shows something I like, good quality of character. Maybe it's the fact that you're able to stay calm and level-headed, and NOT interpret everything I said as "getting in your face". Maybe you're one to add to the list I'd have no problem discussing things with.

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    Look...you're kinda doing the same thing with my posts as you did the whole thread...breaking things way down to small bits, and then analyzing and questioning or responding to all those bits...which IMO, only got/gets you deeper into a state of confusion.

    Again...not just me, but from what I've read, all the people who were responding to you seem to still be a bit confused about what it is you're really looking to do and the manner in which you wish to do it.
    I'm also not quite clear either. I mean, I get it from an overall view, but specifically, when the discussion breaks into details, there's still a lot of confusion.

    So I again suggest that if you are on a tight budget, and looking for "alternatives" to some of the more specific/formal solutions that are often suggested and used...you might as well take the "best common sense view" of what you think you should do...and then give it shot.
    I mean, you already said that failure was an option (or something like that)...so then try a few things out, make a few trips to the nearby hardware store...and see what/if anything is working to get you closer to what you want.
    Otherwise, if you ask people who have some of the basic knowledge, you WILL get a lot of detailed suggestions that require specific/formal solutions, and then if you ask more questions about those things, you will start to again go deeper into the "math"...which I agree can be overwhelming and confusing.

    Do the best you can with what you have...worst case, it will be a great learning experience.

    TBH...I sometimes feel bad for total newbs when they ask questions about acoustic treatment, because there isn't a simple answer (each space requires individual treatment solutions)...and the only "simple" answer is to go and buy a bunch of ready-made broadband and bass traps, and follow the manufacturer's installation suggestions, and don't ask any more questions, just install them...and get back to the music!
    IF you want a lot of info...go to any manufacturer's website. I know GIK Acoustics, besides offering their products, also provides a lot of free general info that might be helpful to you, so you can read at your pace.

    Acoustic Panels | Bass Traps | Sound Diffusers | GIK Acoustics
    Acoustic Articles - Acoustic Panels, Bass Traps, Diffusors | GIK Acoustics
    Educational Videos - Acoustic Panels | Bass Traps | Diffusors | GIK Acoustics

    Oh...and I will leave you with one final thought. It doesn't matter if you're doing audio for fun or for pro results...the acoustics, how sound behaves, will apply equally in both scenarios. So if you can get some decent acoustics, it will help you have more fun with your recording or help you get more pro results.
    I really wasn't trying to "insult" you in any way...just though that the thread was all over the place and more convoluted than it needed to be, and that your overly inquisitive approach was probably the cause. I mean, sometimes you're better off without information overload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
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    I really wasn't trying to "insult" you in any way...just though that the thread was all over the place and more convoluted than it needed to be, and that your overly inquisitive approach was probably the cause. I mean, sometimes you're better off without information overload.
    Seriously...

    I'm so sorry to anyone who thought this might have turned out to be an interesting experiment, or whatever.

    I'm not in a state of confusion. I'm in a state of disappointment and disbelief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitzer View Post
    Seriously...

    I'm so sorry to anyone who thought this might have turned out to be an interesting experiment, or whatever.

    I'm not in a state of confusion. I'm in a state of disappointment and disbelief.
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