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    I've been recording podcasts for a few months now thru mixing boards into garage band and streaming the audio thru mixlr.com in real time as sort of an online radio station. After the live show I clean up the audio a little bit and upload it to my website as the next podcast episode.
    I started out with a Behringer Xenyx 1202 usb and some condenser mics and eventually upgraded to an Allen & Heath Zed 14 that I just love. It sounds great, is built like a tank, and does everything I need it to do except record multiple tracks.
    I'm not ready, but I'm going to anyway, step up to multi-track recording so that I can isolate the 4 to 5 speakers I have on a show and edit out them talking over each other when needed, or clean up the parts of audio when they're not talking, and I would just love some recommendations based on what I need.

    -Needs to be somewhat portable. I will be taking the whole rig on the road once a week to record at a friend's house.
    -I need a minimum of 8 inputs.
    -It would be fantastic if those inputs had some sort of automatic gain
    -I need to do at least 1 mix-minus for plugging my cellphone in (on my mixing board it's pretty easy, not sure yet how it works in a digital I/O)
    -I need to be able to multi-track record while also having individual track fader control over a feed that goes out to my mixlr software to broadcast live.
    -I need to be able to fade out an intro song or fade in the exit song. Or keep a fader down on a call-in guest until I'm ready to introduce him.

    I think those are my major requirements. It's late and I'm exhausted from another several hour long session of trying to figure out what the hell I need to do this. I have a lot of hobbies and none seem to be anywhere freaking close to as dense as audio engineering. The Alesis Multimix 16 USB 2.0 originally caught my eye. It would theoretically do everything I need at an incredibly low price, so OF COURSE they had to discontinue it. Am I going crazy or does that smack anybody else as kinda fishy? It's almost like Alesis went, 'hey, consumers, here's a full featured multi-track recorder/mixer that costs almost nothing', and then the whole industry took them aside and was like, 'WHAT THE HELL are you doing??? You can't just give people exactly what they need in a simple form for cheap! That is NOT how our industry does business!!!', and the next day it gets mysteriously discontinued.
    Oh well, whatevs, next I started looking into the Zoom R24. It does the multi-track recording, is insanely portable, and has faders. Seems like it'll fit the bill, but I'm seeing mixed reviews on sound and build quality.
    Just tonight I started looking into the Roland Octa Capture. It gets glowing reviews for it's sound and has automatic gain on all channels (a big plus), but it doesn't have any faders for me to manipulate a live broadcast signal. As I look into it, i'm slowly starting to comprehend that those controls can be accessed in the software, but I do not want to get rid of the tactile feel of fading in and out channels as needed, it's a requirement. I think there's apparently some way to hook up a separate DAW controller, but I can't wrap my head around getting a 2nd piece of gear when there seems to be products out there that'll do it all in 1 piece of gear. Doesn't make sense to me.
    At some point I might get an Allen & Heath Zed R16. It seems to do what I want, except for not being very portable.
    Can anybody help me out to make heads or tails of what I should look into?

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    Hi Chris,
    Probably the only game in town for a multitrack AI is the Tascam US 1608 the new version of the US 1800. Roland have product but I think the cost is considerably greater and, although I have read nothing bad about them, the Tascam's rep is a bit legendary!

    AGC on each track? Not for this sort of money methinks tho' others might have ideas. But since you are tracking then editing/pimping later, just record well down, neg 25 is certainly not too low (24 bits) and compress/limit/gain boost later?

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    Okay. So you want to multitrack record your programme at the same time as feeding a mixed version out live?

    I know it's unfashionable but I wouldn't try to do it all on one machine. I'd very deliberately separate the functions.

    The Zed R16 would be an excellent choice for you providing you know you'll be able to keep using Firewire. Lot's of computers have dropped FW support entirely. On the other hand, Thunderbolt is finally appearing and the Firewire to Thunderbolt converters seem to work.

    Anyway, I'd get the R16 and use that to feed the individual tracks into a computer for later editing. However, I'd take an analogue mixed feed out of the mixer into a second computer (or even an iPad or phone) and use THAT to encode your live version. This way, faults on one won't affect the other.

    AGC? The spawn of the devil. Eight different inputs pumping up and down depending on whether or not somebody is speaking will sound like rubbish. Professional radio and TV studios don't use AGC and neither should you. Honest, mixing 8 inputs of speech becomes second nature really quickly.

    Yeah, I'm sure you can find a box that might do it all but not nearly as reliably and conveniently as keeping it all separate.
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    Tascam US 1608 looks good. Allen & Heath R16 is on the wish list.
    This thing sure looks wild Behringer X AIR X18 Digital Desktop Mixer | Guitar Center
    If it can really do all it says it does, I think it's a winner. I just wish there were faders on the top of it instead of an ipad tray.

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    I'm freaking telling you there's a conspiracy afoot. Everytime I find a control surface/IO/mixer that does everything for a reasonable price in a small form factor, it's DISCONTINUED and there's no modern version.
    I'm going to build a time machine, go back 5 years ago and buy all of them, come back to now, and then sell them for 5 times as much.

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    I need to do some solid research on podcasting/broadcasting because we're getting more and more inquiries about these things around here, and I'm way too ignorant on the tools of the trade to be of much help.

    If there is a way to route the output of a DAW into your streaming software, then that'd be the way to go. You could go with an 8-input audio interface and use a DAW to do all of your compression, fader riding, muting, etc. I've heard of things like virtual audio cable that can route output of one app into the input of another app. I'll have to do some research on this. But bottom line, I think that you're talking about a pretty big expense to do all of this out-of-the-box, and the more you can do in a software DAW, the cheaper and more convenient it's gonna be.

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    No sweat, we don't know what we need either! Because the medium is pretty new, we're wandering over to you guys' party and seeing if we can coopt your stuff to do what we need. Especially as we get a little more experience under our belts we’re realizing that we need more complicated equipment, multi-track recorders and DAW’s. But there are so many products over here in this field that it’s dizzying and we’re having trouble figuring it all out, because we’re not audio-engineers, we’re really not even that interested in audio quality (don’t get me wrong, I just mean to the level you guys are). I guess our primary focus is more on usability if I had to pick one. We’re looking for a solution that can do some mixing, multi-tracks, and is fairly easy to use and straightforward, so that we can concentrate on the show not on the equipment.
    I complicate this a little because I also like to broadcast my podcasts live while they’re happening which is pretty rare in podcasting. Most podcasters just want to record it and release it later. Actually, as I type this I’m starting to realize I might be overthinking it. The way my broadcast software works, it just picks up everything that’s happening on my computer’s USB bus. I’ve been trying to account for how I’m going to get my recording mix to it, but I think it’ll be fairly straight forward. The Tascam US 16x08 looks like it might be the cheapest/best way to go, although that Behringer xAir18 is verrrrry interesting looking.

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    My 2 cents,. I do think your overthinking it. I also think the ability to multitrack a multi-party podcast would be overkill. Unless your making enough money off it of course,. then i might see justifing the higher production values. It really just comes down to getting paid for my time and I don't see all the extra editing effort paying off in this scanario,. besides,.a little overexcited cross talk on a sportscast is part of its charm. I would stick with what I had if I were you and spend my time/money on providing awesome content(on a regular basis) and marketing. But,. if you just gotta ,. i'd go with the new Tascam 16x08 as well. And like Tadpui said,. your DAW or podcasting software should be able to handle the effects side of things. When you say gain control I think your just really wanting some broadcast type compression across the masterbus to level the playing field a little,. rather than a hardware compressor built into each channel,. which ain't gonna happen. ***Edit: I was wrong,. about the US-16x08 Tascam says "Built into the US-16x08 is a DSP Mixer for low-latency digital mixing. Each channel has four-band EQ and compression for polished-sounding monitor mixes."

    Tadpui: I ran through this a couple days ago,. LOTS of good info and free right now with coupon code IPD15.
    https://www.udemy.com/planning-your-podcast/
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    Thanks, you are absolutely correct I believe. The jump from stereo analog mixing into garage band to multi-track recording in Reaper is huge and would take considerably more time and resources. I think you're spot on with your assessment of where time should be spent for better return on investment.
    HOWEVER!!!, I am gunna pick up the Tascam (since it's pretty freaking cheap) and experiment with it as a hobby on the side. If I can ever get a handle on it and it makes sense in my podcasting workflow I'll consider transitioning to it, but for now the stereo recording is working fine and best of all takes very little time, meaning I can drop new podcasts faster.
    Thanks ya'll, really appreciate it.

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    God damnit, I take it all back. Could somebody please tell me why nobody is making one of these right now? Amazon.com: Tascam FW1082 FireWire Audio Interface: Musical Instruments I am so freaking tempted to find either a firewire converter or an old mac with firewire. This is RIDICULOUS I can't buy something like this when they existed over 10 years ago.

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