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    I'll experiment some more . It's not bad sound really but feel It could be a bit more "present " /fuller /thicker . Tempo is fairly moderate and I have a rhythm track as a guide so I will also test out double tracking and see if that's a viable solution . Meanwhile play around also with mic proximity and gain to optimise . I could upgrade headphone but I'm not convinced yet that's where it lies.One way or another I feel there's a bit more I can get out of that existing kit

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    Go ahead and post a sample here. Can't hurt. Trust us. We're here to help....and we've all been there.....heard that......still there.....hearing that. Based on your OP.......without hearing your result it's equally as likely likely that we'll lead you astray.....as it is we'll help you. Are you referencing your results anywhere else other than the M-30x's? Your car or someone else's car or stereo? I've had the M-30x's and they're very fine for tracking.......better than most IMO.......but they're not up to the task of mixing and mastering and hearing the proper nuances........"presence".......sound stage.......etc....etc.....that you're looking to improve upon in your work. The recorder and mic you are using are a notch above those cans IMO. You're going to experiment without being able to hear properly. Now....I'm not at all suggesting that you need to spend lots of bucks by any means............although investing in a top notch set of cans will never cause you a problem. Just upgrade enough to take the headphone element / debate.......out of the issue. If I may suggest..........a budget of under $150 gives you a few options that will quickly reveal elements of your mix or tracks you may not be hearing correctly.
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    I wouldn't too discouraged. The acoustic guitar is always a bugger to record--at least for me. I've had more success with almost everything else, including some oddball instruments like a plectrum banjo or a resonator ukulele. I've tried expensive instruments (including my Martin 000-18), new strings, and alternative playing approaches (bar chords, power chords, transposition using a capo, etc.) I've tried Nashville tuning, open tuning, dropped tunings. I've used a variety of stereo techniques as well as a dedicated stereo mic, and I've doubled tracked. I've pointed the mic from every angle and placed it anywhere from the 12th fret to the sound hole. And I've used every mic a could get my hands on, including a $1k Soundeluxe U195, an AT5050, and a Shure SM81 small diaphragm condenser. I've never used a ribbon mic, but I'm pretty confident that my success would be marginal. Bottom line: It's a challenging instrument, especially if you are playing solo. Unfortunately, you just have to keep trying, even if it means knocking your head against the wall. So try the some of the stuff I've listed above. Experiment, experiment, experiment.

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    Yes all true. I do think at some point I need to hear this through speakers / monitors . I have a fairly decent Hifi buried somewhere Rogers speakers . Also definitely i think an acoustic guitar is a particularly challenging instrument to record inherently . Recently got hold of a Yamaha s975 for its string sound in there .granted its never going be like the real thing but its pretty decent . That I tested direct input to recorder adjusted gain panned hard left and right . Sounded fine to me .Good to go pretty much . Seemingly no real comparison for level of difficulty with miked acoustic. Not really in a position to buy any more kit right now . I've maxed out on my budget for all this

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    Whenever I see "classical" guitar performed, on TV say, there is always a lovely big room and often just a pair of crossed (co-i) capacitors set discretely some 2mtrs in front of the player. The sound, BBC as a rule, is invariably excellent.

    But most of us don't have lovely big rooms! If you can tap into the BBC's iPlayer try to find some Julian Bream masterclasses.

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    Will do . Yes what I did here was to get a mic to try cover all applications as far as possible . The large condenser lewitt will likely come into its own on vocals . Budget permitting I might have had a pair of smaller condensers for guitar . It was a budget driven compromise purchase . Still pretty decent on instruments (should be )

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecc83 View Post
    Whenever I see "classical" guitar performed, on TV say, there is always a lovely big room and often just a pair of crossed (co-i) capacitors set discretely some 2mtrs in front of the player. The sound, BBC as a rule, is invariably excellent.

    But most of us don't have lovely big rooms! If you can tap into the BBC's iPlayer try to find some Julian Bream masterclasses.

    Dave.
    Another interesting approach can be found on any of the NPR Tiny Desk sessions on YouTube. The room looks horrible but the sound is always quite remarkable. Most of it is done with a stereo mic setup and a guru of course.

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    Dwillis 45 (still don't know how to do a yellow box reply ) . Thought occurred to me . Martin 00018 from memory is an om type . Probably a Lot of detail but less projection . That brings me back to mic proximity comment someone made ?

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    Yes.......certainly when recording an acoustic guitar or other string instrument.......mic placement is critical and in my experience.....can be unique to each instrument's character. No two guitars seem to have the exact same sort of mic placement mapping. Using your Lewitt alone or using your Lewitt with one of the Tascam built-ins......at some point you'll likely get closer to the results you want. Keep trying. You don't mention (or I missed it somewhere) what guitar model you're using. What's the sonic character of that guitar? If you've ever gone into any GC "acoustic" room and played around with several brands and models......the differences between all of them are astonishingly clear. I own the "cheap" Martin. When I played it at home it sounded great compared to my Fender and my Ovation. But.....when I played that same model in the GC "acoustic" room.....it was....to say the least.....less than sparkling and tonally so so. My point is......some guitars will never achieve what we hear on great tracks of others. Effects and other efforts can help......but it is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxman65 View Post
    (still don't know how to do a yellow box reply ) .
    Side Note: Lower right corner... Click on Reply with Quote. (Do not delete any brackets in the reply, common mistake..... Ah-hem, Dave ecc83 )

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