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    Playing To Other Recorded Tracks and Click Track. How?

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    Ok all,

    I'm really in a clusterf**K here. First off let me run my gear down for you:

    M-Audo Delta 44 w/ Breakout Box (4 Ins and 4 Outs)
    Behringer 4 track mixer
    Adobe Audition 1.0


    Ok, so here's the deal. I have the two main outs running from the mixer into the two ins fo the breakout box.

    What I want to do is to be able to listen to a click track and previous recorded tracks in my headphones while being able to hear while recording a new track. Does this make sense?

    Anyway, I tried running two cables from the out back into the mixer but the problem with that is that while recording a new track, whatever I'm hearing in the phones (previous track adn click track) is being recorded to the new track as well.

    My head is swimming here guys! What do I do????

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    Double click the speaker on your lower right toolbar and click options/properties/recording and make sure only the source you are using is checked.

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    Instead of using the main outs into the sound card inputs, use the channel inserts instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by chapelhillbilly
    ...whatever I'm hearing in the phones (previous track adn click track) is being recorded to the new track as well.
    The exact same thing is happening to me. I currently have a post under the "Computer Recording and Soundcards" forum ("Track Bleed" thread) and am not having much luck solving it. I hope you don't mind me piggy-backing your problem, but I think our solutions might be the same. I'll share what I know so far (searching and feedback). First, here's my connections...

    - Mixer Alt 3/4 L/R outs > Audiophile L/R ins
    (small Wharfedale R-1604 mixer, no channel inserts. Chapelhillbilly, your Behringer doesn't have channel inserts either?)
    - Audiophile L/R outs > Mixer Ch 5/6 L/R ins
    - Mixer Control Room Outs > Monitors

    The above set-up is based on referencing this site http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm, including the drawing http://www.tweakheadz.com/images/nmodisetup.jpg

    - "AKG K240DF Studio Monitor" headphones plugged into headphones jack on mixer

    The AKGs are semi-closed back. During a test I had the volume low and had my wife listen to hear if sound was coming from the phones. She couldn't hear anything. Therefore, the phones are not bleeding, so they're not the problem. Also, the bleeding happens whether the headphones are plugged into the mixer or not. I tried recording a test vocal track while my nearfields were turned down and the headphones not plugged into the mixer. The bleed occurred regardless. I even muted some tracks for different tests and only the unmuted tracks bled onto the test vocal track.

    Some are suggesting a problem with a setting in the Windows Mixer (double click the speaker on lower right toolbar and click options/properties/recording) and making sure "What you hear" is not selected). I can't access this setting, and I'm told the Windows Mixer is not my problem since using the Delta control panel.

    My newb mind is telling me that somehow, my mic/line-in channels are picking up what's coming back into the mixer (Ch 5/6) from the Audiophile outs. I've tried connecting into other jacks on the mixer (e.g. Stereo EFX Returns, Aux Sends -- that's all I have left to try). Either that, or some wrong setting in the Delta control panel that may be a sort of equivalent to the Windows mixer "What you hear" problem.

    I don't know what to do. Aarrgghh!!!
    Last edited by Cheeky Monkey; 03-20-2005 at 07:51.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheeky Monkey
    Some are suggesting a problem with a setting in the Windows Mixer (double click the speaker on lower right toolbar and click options/properties/recording) and making sure "What you hear" is not selected). I can't access this setting, and I'm told the Windows Mixer is not my problem since using the Delta control panel.
    What is checked when you access options/properties/recording?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYMorningstar
    What is checked when you access options/properties/recording?
    Nothing. When I access that screen, there is nothing in the list (unlike under playback where there are few selections in the list).

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    I got the answer for us Cheeky!

    Samson Audio c-que 8: http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=25230

    I picked this up today and will be hooking it up tomorrow evening. I will be sure to post here and let you know how it's working.

    The guy at SamAsh basically told me that you run two balanced cables from two outs on the breakout box into this amp. This will give you the ability to not only hear playback but hear what you are recording at the same time and click track.

    I'm REALLY curious to see how this will work. I'll be sure to let you know!

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    I don't think you need a headphone amp to do what you want to do. You just have to route things correctly. Go to http://www.m-audio.com/images/en/man...a44_Manual.pdf and figure out how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chapelhillbilly
    I got the answer for us Cheeky!

    Samson Audio c-que 8: http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=25230

    I picked this up today and will be hooking it up tomorrow evening. I will be sure to post here and let you know how it's working.

    The guy at SamAsh basically told me that you run two balanced cables from two outs on the breakout box into this amp. This will give you the ability to not only hear playback but hear what you are recording at the same time and click track.

    I'm REALLY curious to see how this will work. I'll be sure to let you know!
    I can't see how a headphone amp is a solution, for me at least. Are you really sure this is your answer? I'm experiencing crosstalk/bleed (whatever the correct term is) on audio tracks whether my headphones are plugged into the mixer or not. Besides, I bought the mixer to route things properly and not have to worry about such things. I don't see that I should have to buy some other device for this particular problem. Surely others with small mixers aren't, are they? chapelhillbilly, really make sure this is what you need before you buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYMorningstar
    I don't think you need a headphone amp to do what you want to do. You just have to route things correctly. Go to http://www.m-audio.com/images/en/man...a44_Manual.pdf and figure out how.
    As for me, I have the Audiophile 2496 and I've researched the manual and can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Who knows, maybe it's just my entry-level mixer (Wharfedale R-1604) that does this and there isn't a soudcard setting or cable routing that's going to change it. I hope I'm wrong though. I just don't know what else to try.

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