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    I would probably side with Gecko here and go with an economically priced large diaphragm condenser.(I like the Aston Origin)

    I am a classically trained vocalist, but I sing pop and rock, and my voice can get quite loud. There are many songs I must stand at least 3 feet from the mic. You will probably need more like 6 ft for true operatic singing.

    May I ask, what do you not like about the sound you get from the H6's built in mics?

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    If you intend recorin just one voice, then X/Y is wrong - You could sing into the left, or the right capsule, but singing into the middle between is poor. As mentioned, the MS capsule attached would give you the mid signal which could work, and the side signal, which you probably won't like. I'd have a listen to what you have and that will steer your next purchase. No point discarding what you have without working with it a bit.

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    Hi guys, again thanks a lot for all the responses and info.
    I like the H6 and itís sound, however from what Iíve read you probably are better off using a condenser mic for the vocals, and the H6 can provide a secondary source of sound. Which is actually the issue in a way. I record at home, sometimes at my colleagueís place where he has a piano. With just the H6 I.e. one source of sound I feel like I may be losing out in what can be done ultimately. Especially for when I manage to get a nice space to record in Iíd like to have a few more options, in order to get a more professional result.
    As I have an opera company myself, it would be great to possess some equipment capable of getting a good result without having to always outsource.
    I should say that I ordered an NT1 today, and my associate is probably going to order the NT5 for more versatility.
    Thank you Gecko especially for your input. It really influenced my purchase.
    So my plan is when I record at home, Iíll use the NT1. In a certain concert space where the patrons have been kind enough to let us use from time to time, the thought was(based also on all your input) to capture my voice with the NT1 A couple of feet away and place the H6 10-20 feet away with the MS and use the S to capture ambience. If my buddy gets the NT5 we could maybe use those for the room sound, NT1 for voice and XY for the piano?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jussidemetrios View Post
    Hi guys, again thanks a lot for all the responses and info.
    I like the H6 and it’s sound, however from what I’ve read you probably are better off using a condenser mic for the vocals, and the H6 can provide a secondary source of sound. Which is actually the issue in a way. I record at home, sometimes at my colleague’s place where he has a piano. With just the H6 I.e. one source of sound I feel like I may be losing out in what can be done ultimately. Especially for when I manage to get a nice space to record in I’d like to have a few more options, in order to get a more professional result.
    As I have an opera company myself, it would be great to possess some equipment capable of getting a good result without having to always outsource.
    I should say that I ordered an NT1 today, and my associate is probably going to order the NT5 for more versatility.
    Thank you Gecko especially for your input. It really influenced my purchase.
    So my plan is when I record at home, I’ll use the NT1. In a certain concert space where the patrons have been kind enough to let us use from time to time, the thought was(based also on all your input) to capture my voice with the NT1 A couple of feet away and place the H6 10-20 feet away with the MS and use the S to capture ambience. If my buddy gets the NT5 we could maybe use those for the room sound, NT1 for voice and XY for the piano?
    Gotcha, sounds like those setups could produce some pretty nice sounds to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jussidemetrios View Post
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    So my plan is when I record at home, I’ll use the NT1. In a certain concert space where the patrons have been kind enough to let us use from time to time, the thought was(based also on all your input) to capture my voice with the NT1 A couple of feet away and place the H6 10-20 feet away with the MS and use the S to capture ambience. If my buddy gets the NT5 we could maybe use those for the room sound, NT1 for voice and XY for the piano?
    I'd probably leave the H6 out in the room and have your friend get a pair of NT5s for the piano.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keith.rogers View Post
    I'd probably leave the H6 out in the room and have your friend get a pair of NT5s for the piano.
    A pair of NT5s would be a useful addition.

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    Room sound with one mic in mono is a bit pointless, the portable recorder would do a better job. My own recording history makes me buy mics in pairs. Over the years all the single mics get less use. Pairs offer so much more scope. If you like the nt1 then a pair of mics is a better next purchase. Another similar mic offers very little.

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    The H6 is a condenser mic, is it not? (Or rather two SDCs)

    An LDC would probably give better results, but they wouldn't be fundamentally different. Are you able to describe specifically what concerns with your current mics you hope to rectify? If you're getting bad room sounds, the LDC won't fix that. (Neither would a ribbon I suspect, but I'm not very familiar with those). If it's the frequency curve of your voice then the best mic will have be very specific.

    It may be an unpopular opinion, but for a dramatic tenor, an SM-58 or equivalent might be a very good choice. It's very directional and very proximity-based. So there's likely a sweet spot (less than a foot away) where all the best parts of your voice are picked up but almost no room noise or mouth noise.

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    Thanks again everybody for the feedback. Waiting on my NT1, my collaborating partner got his NT5s. We tried them out yesterday on his piano.. wow. Really professional sounding, I was blown away. He connected them to his Zoom H6 and plugged that into the laptop with Reaper. Guys really great sound. Iíd dare say CD quality.
    Canít wait to get my mic and put together some recordings. If youíd like Iíd be happy to share.
    Iíll definitely look into getting an SM58 as well, itís not pricey and Iím curious to hear it!

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    I think you'll also like the NT1. I find it to be more "neutral" than a lot of condenser mics that have an exaggerated top end.

    I don't have the H6, but a I do have and H4n, and the mics don't sound anywhere close to my external mics.

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