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    making the best of drum machines. very realistic.

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    This only works with drum machine software. Or wav files of drum samples.

    I use the software Leaf Drummer to do all my drumming stuff.
    I can play drums fairly well, but due to space restraints, money, and noise level I dont own a drum set.

    So I use Leaf Drummer. The obvious problem is that it sounds like a drum machine and not the real thing.

    I came up with 3 steps to making it VERY close to the real thing.

    Keep in mind that I use Leaf Drummer and Cool Edit Pro.

    1. The first problem with drum machines is that they are perfect. They hit EVERY note perfectly. yo could go in and delay certain notes by a few milliseconds, but that is time consuming and still sounds rather unnatural.
    Here's my solution...
    On track 1 record yourself playing drums by tapping 2 pencils. Use your left hand as the kick and your right as the snare.
    Make sure you hit 2 different surfaces so you can distinguish the sounds apart.
    Record that and what you basically have is a click track for your drums. Then on track 2 take your snare and kick samples and insert them to line perfectly up with your pencil clicks. That will give you a basis. Add cymbals and toms the same way or any way you choose.

    2. The 2nd problem is that the hi hat and ride cymbals sound very fake on a drum machine. By adding extra reverb to just the cymbals you can greatly enhance the effect of realism. Not to the whole drum track. Just to the cymbals.

    3. The last problem is volume. Drum machines are obviously VERY compressed. It lacks any volume change. Fix this by increasing or decreasing the volums at key points. Use common sense. If there are 6 snare hits in a row during the span of 2 seconds it is natural for the drummer to hit each one progressively harder. Just immitate this.

    Thats it. EQ each drum track to desire, add overall reverb, and mix down to one drum track.

    Its not perfect, but when its mixed in with all the other insruments it WILL fool people. Most people wount notice anything unless you tell them before hand and they really try hard to look for it.

    Have fun!

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    You have got to be kidding me. I believe (and correct me if I am wrong) that you are the supreme master of making cheap things sound "exactly" like other things.

    Let me reflect:
    (1) A $200.00 strat like a Les Paul
    (2) A something or other like a Stomp box Delay
    (3) And now a Pencil into a computer becomes a real drummer.

    You're killing me smalls!

    =)

    Fangar

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    excuse my french, but, vous êtes très ennuyant.

    When did I say you record pencils for your drums?
    And what was that about the delay??
    Want me to post a wav file. I will. Ill post about 10 real drum lines and one "fake" one. You pick it out.

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    and that whole supreme master thing is correct.

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    P.S. if you said you don't have a drum set, then why did you post this:


    hi-fi hi-hat
    My hi hats sound too....low fi.

    I have actually found the perfect git tones for what I want, but it is lacking crucial hi end that gives it that crisp sound. I know that the hi hats are the problem. When I EQ it it just sounds over proccessed.

    Any way to fix this and have it sound more organic. I also have the cymbals panned a lil to the right with kick, snare, toms dead center.




    I would love to hear some of your stuff. Thanks for the offer. I think we all would.

    Fangar

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    Thumbs up

    The trick with the recorded groove-grid is one of the best i've heard the last year...

    keep on posting such stuff

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    post 'em! we all love a challenge. Somehow I'm guessing you're not winning any fans. but the great thing about free advice is that it's free, and we are free to ignore it.

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    Cool

    i have faith in ya Cyan...i bet you can make those pencils sound like Bonham......

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    I have read in a thread in the drum forum that running thru a tube compresser and adding a little distortion helps.

    I also have a plate on my reverb called drum room.

    Ive been using that tip to cover my drummachine sound. also play allong on a tabletop set of pads (Roland SPD 20).

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    thanks

    I understand that real drums are the best option but not everyone can play live drums.

    The method I described above is the single best way Ive found through ALOT of testing to get a very realistic drum track.

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