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    Apart from the purely technical training, something else you might get from the experience would be the side benefits of interacting on a daily basis with a bunch of people who live and breath music production. Are you getting that now? Will you get it from a book or the internet?

    Do some comparison shopping. There might be competing programs to consider. Keep in mind that starting the program does not commit you to finish it. You can decide at any point along the line that it's not for you and bail. You're in a better position than most in that you can always return to what you're doing now.

    I'm interested in Steen's perspective because he has done what you are considering doing. He said his current career direction is unconnected to his formal studies. But would he be moving in that direction if he had not done the studies?

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    Robus - yea this is a concern. There is a popular institute in London (where I live) called The London School of Sound. The difference with this is it seems to be aimed at more professional people. The learning curve might be a lot steeper.

    https://www.londonschoolofsound.co.uk

    If anyone has a minute perhaps they can have a look around the site at the courses and recommend me something. They have a one week mixing and mastering course but it doesn't encompass setting up a studio and stuff. It's pretty much all based in Logic.

    Basically I want some studio experience where I can set up various bands/artists of differing genres and then mix the productions.

    And you're right, I can literally jump back into my career without having lost any ground. The way the healthcare system works for employees in the UK is that I keep my same pay grade regardless where I go or if I leave. The only thing I would lose is the time. I might not be able to go back to the same work area but I can go to another, quite similar area or a completely different area and be on the same money. And while I go to college to do this I can still work and earn more or less the same money with less hours, but no sick or pension pay.

    For example - https://www.londonschoolofsound.co.u...n-certificates

    This is a part time course with a focus on setting up a studio and mixing. This might be beneficial? I could stay in work and it's much cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilLondon View Post

    I'm not sure how I'd get into it without some kind of professional or academic guidance...
    Well...it's not easy, even harder these days, especially with all these audio course grads looking for work...but prior to just several years ago, before all these audio courses started popping up, and before colleges realized there was such an interest in this field...almost ALL studio guys learned by being the gopher, by being the guy that spends endless hours at the studio without pay, hanging around willing to learn and do anything and everything that is asked of him.

    That's your competition...and why age does matter.
    The young guys and gals are either still living at home, or they don't mind flopping on their buddy's couch or sharing a cheap apartment with three other guys...so they CAN spend 16 hours a day living in the studio environment...and the ones that also have some course under their belt + willing to put in all kinds of time and effort without pay or without much pay...are going to get those slots ahead of you.
    That's a fact.

    You're not going to have much of an edge with an audio course under your belt. So if you're looking for that to be some sort of guarantee...then you should reconsider. Otherwise, if you just want to do it...just to do it, for yourself, and if anything more comes out of it, it's gravy...then that's fine.
    I just get the feeling that your asking for justification and you have an expectation.
    Be prepared to be disappointed.

    If audio is truly your passion...then approach it from that perspective alone.
    Most of the guys here have sunk all kinds of time and effort...not to mention money...with no guaranteed expectations.
    God how it pains me when I think of all the money I've sunk into my studio....granted, I've gone a bit more extreme with it than the typical home-rec guys...but the point is, it's all done for the passion, nothing more. I've got a day job that I jutst do because it pays (it's not my passion)...and that allows me to over-indulge my audio interests...and all day long all I think about is when I'm going to be back in my studio again.

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    Miroslav - What you are saying about younger candidates is true. But some courses, like the one I am looking at will place you in a studio, so all of that is irrelevant because they have studios who are affiliated with the course.

    No, I have no expectations and I don't need justification from anyone. If I want to do it I'll do it. I know that I can fully support myself, go right back into my career, that I'll really enjoy it and that I can possibly grow it into a small business on the side. I'm asking for advice, there's a difference. I don't see how you've come to that conclusion at all.

    I've said time and time again that I just want to do it for me, because it's my passion, so that I can have proper guidance so that I can get involved in recording artists on my own. I said that I will be going back to my job after the course. If I had expectations of some career, or that I'll be owed something why would I be expecting to go back to work?

    I would of course like to have some kind of studio experience, but again, I stated that I expect that this will be hard because of my age and because of the nature of the industry and merely asked about this. So, no, I have no expectations about what I will achieve or end up working, just that I want to learn and if I am good enough at it, market myself so that I can start recording and mixing some tracks for some bands/artists.

    I hope this clears this up for you.
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    Well...when you said in your OP:

    "would love to get paid to do it" ...and... "maybe build a business"

    To me....those are expectations.
    Maybe they are "quiet" expectations, since you do admit some concerns about the whole thing, but still, that is the twinkle in your eye.

    Like I said, do it for yourself...and plan on nothing more.
    Then if you can make something more out of it...it will be a happy surprise instead of expectations that faded away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    Well...when you said in your OP:

    "would love to get paid to do it" ...and... "maybe build a business"

    To me....those are expectations.
    Maybe they are "quiet" expectations, since you do admit some concerns about the whole thing, but still, that is the twinkle in your eye.

    Like I said, do it for yourself...and plan on nothing more.
    Then if you can make something more out of it...it will be a happy surprise instead of expectations that faded away.
    I have goals and dreams, but not expectations. I don't expect anything to happen, I may well just do it and make kickass mixes for myself and my friends, and that's it. But of course, I would love to make a career out of it, but I don't see that happening really, and besides promoting myself, unless an amazing opportunity arises I expect to stay in the same job that I'm in for the rest of my working life.

    I expect to work hard at this if I take it on, to become decent at it. That's about the extent of it. If I can make a little bit of money from it that would be great, but I don't think I'll be able to leave my job or anything. I have no illusions and I feel that I've got modest goals.
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    Does anyone have any experience of the London School of Sound? Any thoughts on this course?

    https://www.londonschoolofsound.co.u...n-certificates

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    I once wanted to do a career in audio back in the early 80's. I was going to go to school, Full Sail advertised in Rolling Stone and I was all set to do it. But for various reasons I didn't. I have had a good career, met lots of people, traveled all over the world (the reluctant traveler), even met a few successful people in the music business (looked like a job to me and not a fun one either).

    After seeing what I have seen in the music business, I am glad I didn't go this direction. I have full filled my dream with my little home hobby.

    That being said, I never was idle, a soldier, line worker, paper pusher, calibration lab technician, computer programmer, IT program manger (big ass projects), now, I am not sure what I do, but I get paid for it

    Point is, if you want to do it, then do it. It might even be a wrong decision. So what, it will be just a part of your total life's work. To me, that is what it is about. The only people who fail in life are the people who fail to live. If you want to do it, then do it. It might work the way you planned, might not, but it will work out.
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    Good philosophy. To paraphrase a movie quote, All men die, but how many men have really lived.
    (Something like that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DM60 View Post
    Point is, if you want to do it, then do it. It might even be a wrong decision. So what, it will be just a part of your total life's work. To me, that is what it is about. The only people who fail in life are the people who fail to live. If you want to do it, then do it. It might work the way you planned, might not, but it will work out.
    ^This

    Worst case is you're 35 and can pick up your nursing career where you left off because we'll always need nurses - but also there will be things unplanned, unseen, unknowable which will happen in that time which might send you off in another direction completely.

    I "re-skilled" at 36 and entered a new profession at that age at absolute ground level - nothing to do with music, mind you - best thing that ever happened to me. And as Mickster says, regret is a bitch. Do it. One way or the other, your life will work out. There is time.

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