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    Hello,

    First of all, glad to find the forums and have the posibility of getting feedback from experienced people all over the world.
    I'm from Argentina and i'm guitarist of a garage band, "Sale Circus". I've setup a home studio where we are attempting to record our first demo album. But i'm also intrested in getting experience for both recording and producing music.

    My setup is very cheep. probably the cheepest you can get. My limited mic choises are 3 caroid dynamic mics of diferent brands (Parker, JTS and other), a JTS kick drum mic and a small condenser mic. (neewer Nw800). All with XLR/XLR cable.
    The recording interface is a behringer umc404hd and as DAW 'm using Acid Pro, just because i allready had it. But also have pro tools first installed.

    I've started mixing some takes and i'm hitting a wall when it comes to the final sound of the songs. For some reason the mixes and mesterings end up with good clarity but sounding like it's far behind the speakers. Specially the drum.
    I did comit an error on micing the drums cause instead of using a snare close mic, i put the condenser mic avobe the kick drum near the snare in the hopes of getting more body for the drum kit. But in result i got a distant snare sound.
    You may wonder why didn't i mic the snare too. But the interface has only 4 channels. so the overheads are in stereo 1/2, 3 for the kick and 4 the condenser mic. We will re take the trackings using a close snare mic but i'm not sure if that is the point of the matter.

    This is the resulting sound of the drums for a song called "Llaves" with some editing. I actually ended removing all reverb from the tracks in the mix.

    see links below

    But still, even with all other instruments added, the result sound has the feel of "farness" and it laks the punch of the music that makes you feel it. Wich is a shame because the band live has a lot of power and specially punch. But i haven't been able to capture it.

    This is the best that i could get out of mixing and mastering

    see links below

    Very much a wip in terms of musical arrengments and performance. (we are amateurs with very limited time for getting all 4 together)
    But i'm not sure what could be the cause of this results. Ofcourse my first conclusion would be cheep mics. But i'm starting to doubt if the problem could be elsewhere.
    Anyway, any feedback would be much apreciate. Probably many been where i am before.
    I would like to determine if it's a gear issue, a recording issue or a post edition issue.

    Thanks in advance, Gabriel.

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    Google drive links.

    Drums tracking:


    Mix and master:
    Last edited by Steenamaroo; 08-16-2019 at 17:37. Reason: Linked you up.

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    The forum doesn't let you post links until you've posted something like five or ten times. It's to prevent spammers. Join a couple of conversations and pretty soon you'll have enough posts to add links. Also, there's a built-in mp3 upload function that might be the best way to post samples.

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    Thanks! will use that function as soon as i'm able. I pasted the urls in case still want to take a hear. if still wrong i remove them. swear no spam

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    Okay, I hear a couple of problems. First is that you've mastered this to an insanely high average level. My LUFS meter says it's -5dB LUFS integrated. One of the results is that when something tries to get louder the other things drop in volume a bit (pumping).

    Second, you've got the guitars mixed on top of the drums. That's probably a big part of why the drums don't seem right to you. To me, it sounds like it was mixed by a guitar player.

    Try starting the mix with just the vocal, kick and snare. Then add the other instruments being careful not to bury those three basic elements.

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    haha, you are right. it's mixed by the guitarrist. But i never would have thought of that. So do you think that the drum recording is not a an issue?
    I will aprouch the mix as you suggested. I do have some strugle with getting the right levels for the guitar and bass. When i think the guitar is low, it ends poping up when mastering anyway. Sometimes happen the same with the bass.
    Will back down in the limiter gain.

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    Something about the snare does sound like it's recorded in a bare room with a fair bit of reflection, but that's not the most pressing issue. Once you get things balanced out it will be easier to tell if the drum sound works.

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    Allright, just re mixed the faders only. This is the mix with out any plugin at the master bus or post mastering.
    Llaves_mix_1.mp3

    maybe kick drum is too loud? i read somewhere that you have to push the kick until the uv meter is about -3db and then add the bass until it's slightly above the kick level. and them mix from there. but it sound kinda loud. is that aprouch correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewolf14 View Post
    Allright, just re mixed the faders only. This is the mix with out any plugin at the master bus or post mastering.
    Llaves_mix_1.mp3

    maybe kick drum is too loud? i read somewhere that you have to push the kick until the uv meter is about -3db and then add the bass until it's slightly above the kick level. and them mix from there. but it sound kinda loud. is that aprouch correct?
    Any numerical reference has to be a rough guide, at best.
    You can't really stick to a rule like that because your kick could be all thud, or really clicky, or anything in between,
    and those various options are going to peak higher/lower than the others with the the equal perceived volume.

    Generally I just try to make sure that everything is recorded such that the signal is clean and clear and well above any noise floor, but well clear of clipping,
    then use the faders to mix everything together, making sure everything plays together well, with the master staying well clear of clipping.

    If you got your drums jiving nice then you introduce bass and the master peaks, everything comes down. (+rinse+repeat).

    If you get that going on and the whole thing sounds good but just seems to quiet, then you're into dynamic compression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewolf14 View Post
    For some reason the mixes and mesterings end up with good clarity but sounding like it's far behind the speakers. Specially the drum.
    I did comit an error on micing the drums cause instead of using a snare close mic, i put the condenser mic avobe the kick drum near the snare in the hopes of getting more body for the drum kit. But in result i got a distant snare sound.

    I hear what you're describing. The drums do sound like they were miked from across the room.
    They're lacking fullness and strength but, hey, you worked within your limitations and did what you had to do.

    I think it works for the track, though. You've got a sort of thrashy lo-fi thing going on.
    Personally I'd want to get some thud out of that kick. I don't know if it's there to be eqd or not...If not I would consider triggering samples for the kick drum.

    In a perfect world I'd have a different snare sound too but I think if the kick had some balls that'd make the biggest difference.
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