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    Alright, I've been afraid to do this, but its time to throw my hat in and see what people think. A friend and I have started working on a bunch of songs and recording them in the studio we built in his garage. Its been slow going, but now things are rolling. Each song will be in a different genre.

    This is the first one:

    http://www.monkeyworksinc.com/samples/hearyousing.mp3

    It is stilll a work in progress. Trying to get a Steely Dan/Santana sound for this one. We are definately going to redo the vocal and try to get some horns in there. I just wanted opinions on the mix, what you think needs correcting or sounds odd. I welcome all opinions.

    Phil

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    No one?...

    I'll admit its not the catchiest tune, I just need ears to point out what could be better.

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    Hi Phil,

    My comments after a quick listen through my pc speakers (perhaps not the best ones to make decisions on), here's my first impressions:

    - I find my attention got carried away by the percussion part (tam tam, conga's or whatever you're using). I'd mute this part during verses, or have it play a less "busy" part, as already drums and rhythm guitar have a rather quick and busy part. I hope my explanation makes sense to you.

    - the bass solo needs to be brought out more. My subconscience was actually expecting a Santana-like guitar solo, but I like the bass thing. Only: it needs to be upfront during the solo, perhaps also a bit more EQ'ing here, or perhaps run it through a guitar amp for a special tone (if you're into experimenting - to make it sound a bit more like a baritone guitar solo), or perhaps add one very short delay to it (like 70 ms, no feedback) and see what that does.

    - the song asks for a few fills here and there, especially during the "whoo's" and "ye-eah's". I'd use another guitar (bluesy or Santana-sounding) to do this. Or horns could also do the trick. Or perhaps a combination of both.

    - the lead vox could be reinforced with backing vocals during the ooh's and yeah's (2nd & third, even fourth voice in harmony).

    - ending: on the very last chord the instruments don't hit the note/chord/drums at the same time, there's a slight "un-sync". Here it depends on your set-up: with digital you could fix this, I wouldn't redo a track just for this. With analog, you could delay a signal a few ms, and record it to a different track until it has the right feel.

    Voila. That's what I'd do when placed in the producer's seat. Overall, I like the sound of the drums, I think the song's nicely done so far soundwise.
    Good luck with the rest of the project!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Niz
    Hi Phil,

    My comments after a quick listen through my pc speakers (perhaps not the best ones to make decisions on), here's my first impressions:

    - I find my attention got carried away by the percussion part (tam tam, conga's or whatever you're using). I'd mute this part during verses, or have it play a less "busy" part, as already drums and rhythm guitar have a rather quick and busy part. I hope my explanation makes sense to you.

    - the bass solo needs to be brought out more. My subconscience was actually expecting a Santana-like guitar solo, but I like the bass thing. Only: it needs to be upfront during the solo, perhaps also a bit more EQ'ing here, or perhaps run it through a guitar amp for a special tone (if you're into experimenting - to make it sound a bit more like a baritone guitar solo), or perhaps add one very short delay to it (like 70 ms, no feedback) and see what that does.

    - the song asks for a few fills here and there, especially during the "whoo's" and "ye-eah's". I'd use another guitar (bluesy or Santana-sounding) to do this. Or horns could also do the trick. Or perhaps a combination of both.

    - the lead vox could be reinforced with backing vocals during the ooh's and yeah's (2nd & third, even fourth voice in harmony).

    - ending: on the very last chord the instruments don't hit the note/chord/drums at the same time, there's a slight "un-sync". Here it depends on your set-up: with digital you could fix this, I wouldn't redo a track just for this. With analog, you could delay a signal a few ms, and record it to a different track until it has the right feel.

    Voila. That's what I'd do when placed in the producer's seat. Overall, I like the sound of the drums, I think the song's nicely done so far soundwise.
    Good luck with the rest of the project!

    Greetz,
    The Niz
    Thanks! Good ideas!

    There is supposed to be a guitar solo. We just haven't added it in yet. I had the same idea about the bongos, but guitarist wanted it in there. Now I have another opinion. Good!

    It still needs cleanup.

    Thanks again!

    Phil

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    How'd you record this, those drums sound really good!

    Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by emergencyexit
    How'd you record this, those drums sound really good!

    Ben
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    the only thing that really sticks out to me is the bass.
    sounds..... maybe cut some of those mids? just kinda synthey.
    maybe cut some of the reverb back a little, the individual instruments are fairly in your face, but just behind that is a kind of cluttered reverb thing.
    maybe same amount, and shorter tales? not sure.

    i know i say this about like every vocal ever, but a little sibilant.

    there seems to be a lot going in in the 2-5K area. maby to much, but that's just me.

    sounds good.
    audio?
    seriously, give me negative rep.

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    Awesome. It's been a long while since I've been in the post forum, but quick honest thoughts from me. It has an up-to-date '70s feel. Lava lamp makes this one truly felt. Nice work, excellent mood, didn't concentrate as much on mixing/production because there are several more qualified than myself to do so, but I am qualified on the final feel of the song and it is great.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Bob View Post
    I do this for a living and I wouldn't choose to use a POS over any of my other 14 guitars

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    Quote Originally Posted by emergencyexit
    How'd you record this, those drums sound really good!

    Ben

    Drums are Tama Rockstar. Cymbals are Paiste. I run all the mics through a Ramsa mixer. I compress the kick and snare about 2:1. No muffling except for a small shop towel taped to the bass drum shell and the head.

    The overhead mics were MXL V63s. The toms and snare mics are GLS audio ES-57s. The kick mic is a Superlux FK-2 and I added a subkick speaker mic in at about 1/6 the level. I used a Nady CM90 on the hi-hat. There is no EQ on any drum mics except the kick, which is boosted at 4k for the attack. I probably will start micing the bottom head of the snare. I need more 'snap'.

    The room is fairly dead. Carpet on the walls for that 70s sound.

    The vocal mic is my homebuilt Ela M 250. It has a 3 micron diaphragm from 797, which may explain why it is so sibilant. I should probably put in a 6 micron, which would be closer to the 9 micron of a CK12 capsule. Ah, hell, I should probably shell out for a Peluso capsule.

    The bass is run through a Korg bass amp modeler. I don't remember the model offhand. That may explain the midrangy bass.

    A friend said he'd like to hear the clean guitar be a bit more 'papery'. Anyone agree with that?

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    Plug-ins or outboard gear?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Bob View Post
    I do this for a living and I wouldn't choose to use a POS over any of my other 14 guitars

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