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    This is a recording of some of my band's most recent material. I worked pretty hard to get this mix, and I'm pretty proud of it, but I know there are just a ridiculously huge amount of things to work on. I've only been mixing "for real" for the last month or so, before that it was mostly fooling around with a four-track and whatnot.

    Please don't bullshit me at all: I need as much feedback as possible, preferably both positive and negative/constructive so I can get better!


    http://insanarchist.shackspace.com/LongSong.mp3


    *Disclaimer: there are some things that need to be edited, specifically the drum beats in certain areas, and I'm aware of that. I just haven't gotten around to it, which is stupid 'cause it should've been one of the first things I did. Anyway, recording to a click for the first time is hard: give the guy a break


    *edit: Things I need to fix that I'm aware of, but am not necessarily aware of how to fix:

    - no matter what I do, I can't get the kick to stand out like it should
    - I love the guitar sound, but I think the amount of midrange is killing other things like the snare, and there's certainly not much room for vocals
    - I forgot to compress the cleans. Silly me...
    - I don't really know much about using reverb. That's a problem.


    *edit 2: are the low-mids/upper-lows missing? Should the bass guitar maybe take up those frequencies?
    Last edited by Steve Henningsgard; 01-24-2007 at 21:20.

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    Its good. Nice vibe to it. I can hear the kick TOO much. Dont worry about it, its coming through. The main thing it needs is to be a lil tighter and a tad more in tune at the beginning.

    Musically, I suggest some variance. A few keyboards wouldnt hurt, even if it was just some pads. Its epic, but not 100% holding my attention. Err, I am waiting for something to happen, it seems like an overture that never gets to the punch line. There are some good musical ideas, just not enough of them.

    I couldnt get through the whole thing, I did about 6 minutes. It needs to DO something.

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    I completely agree with the variance: Keyboards were the first thing that came to mind for sure. The vocals are also going to be a large part of reducing the boring. As for "doing something", it has a huge epic culminating major part a little after where you stopped listening! I'll do my best to make it easier to get there. Perhaps messing with effects & dynamics?

    I noticed the out-of-tune ness at the beginning too. I'm wondering if some stronger keyboards at the beginning might actually make it way less obvious, but worst-case scenario, the clean guitars are pretty easy to re-do.

    Thanks for the critique, keep 'em coming!

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    Hi Steve...some cool stuff happening but I agree w/ DavidK that it kinda stays in one place too long. The power guitar has a lot of splatter which tends to mask detail on the other instruments. Maybe eq along with level adjustment will fix it .
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    Sounds good to me-Nice full guitar sound, good mix on my speakers.

    Couple things about the playing: The drums are doing something wierd on beat 2. Not every beat 2 but when it does happen it's always on beat 2. It's like the drummer rushes into that beat and then is forced to compensate before 3, so you guys are actually tighter on beats 1 3 and 4 than you are on beat two.

    On guitar there are a few times when I can hear you fingers sliding on the strings. In the part where it sticks out the most it actually sounds kinda cool but I'm not sure if that was intentional.

    Overall I like this style of song but structurally, I think you guys need to move it along a little quicker. Perhaps shorten it up a bit by eliminating a few repeats here and there. It gets a little static so maybe a few curveball change-ups would help.

    Anyway, good song, good mix. Nice job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazba
    ...The power guitar has a lot of splatter which tends to mask detail on the other instruments. Maybe eq along with level adjustment will fix it .
    Chazba
    What kind of eq are you thinkin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by everybody
    Too long/gets boring/change it up
    I agree: I'll mess around with maybe throwing some keyboards in there, some select effects, taking out a couple repeats, etc. Once I get vocals in here, I have a feeling the whole mix will come crashing down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.h
    This is a recording of some of my band's most recent material. I worked pretty hard to get this mix, and I'm pretty proud of it, but I know there are just a ridiculously huge amount of things to work on. I've only been mixing "for real" for the last month or so, before that it was mostly fooling around with a four-track and whatnot.

    Please don't bullshit me at all: I need as much feedback as possible, preferably both positive and negative/constructive so I can get better!


    http://insanarchist.shackspace.com/LongSong.mp3


    *Disclaimer: there are some things that need to be edited, specifically the drum beats in certain areas, and I'm aware of that. I just haven't gotten around to it, which is stupid 'cause it should've been one of the first things I did. Anyway, recording to a click for the first time is hard: give the guy a break


    *edit: Things I need to fix that I'm aware of, but am not necessarily aware of how to fix:

    - no matter what I do, I can't get the kick to stand out like it should
    - I love the guitar sound, but I think the amount of midrange is killing other things like the snare, and there's certainly not much room for vocals
    - I forgot to compress the cleans. Silly me...
    - I don't really know much about using reverb. That's a problem.


    *edit 2: are the low-mids/upper-lows missing? Should the bass guitar maybe take up those frequencies?
    First things first, I noticed you were from Minniapolis (YAY) I'm moving there in a few months. anyways, now onto what I had to say, helpful or not.

    I was a drummer in a band, not too long ago. So I do know that it is hard to stay on 'beat' when you don't really know how the guitar riff goes. So the drummer in this part, has to MEMORIZE the guitar riff, and the way it goes, before you can record it. The first part of the guitar was an awesome layout, but the drummer was confused alot and it made it sound like you didn't know what you were doing, when in reality I know you probably do.

    Too much guitar. Way too much guitar, it cuts anything else out, alot of repeats, also. Which was mentioned.

    I would work on the getting the guitar toned down a bit, for those of us that don't run a Subwoofer (I do, but I'm on the laptop right now), it makes it sound like FSHHHHHH, almost through the whole guitar part.

    Also, remind the drummer that the Cymbal isn't the only part to his drumset, get some more toms in there, get this thing goin', it's a rock song as far as I'm concerned, and it needs more rock to it...

    I think alot of the Guitar has to do with your amp not being all that jazzy and a bag of chips. In my opinion, the drummers snare has to be tightened up a bit to fit the genre, at least. But if he hits it harder, it sounds perfect, but the light roll makes it sound shhhy, I guess you could say.

    I loved the idea, the way it was played out wasn't exactly what I was expecting, it's a good start, though. You need a bass guitar in there too, so it levels out, cus I can't hear one, at all. But, I might be missing it.

    Also, as they stated, a keyboard would be really good for this type of song, get that in there and work it man.

    Don't get discouraged, keep up the good work, it's an awesome start, can't wait to hear the final product. But, as I said, I was in a band once upon a time, so I know it's easier said than done.

    Fairly well recording, over all. Good job

    P.S. - We'll have to meet up when I move to Minnesota .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Re-Lapse
    First things first, I noticed you were from Minniapolis (YAY) I'm moving there in a few months. anyways, now onto what I had to say, helpful or not.
    Yeah man, MN is sweet! Burnsville's pretty close (~20-30 min. away)

    Quote Originally Posted by Re-Lapse
    I was a drummer in a band, not too long ago. So I do know that it is hard to stay on 'beat' when you don't really know how the guitar riff goes. So the drummer in this part, has to MEMORIZE the guitar riff, and the way it goes, before you can record it. The first part of the guitar was an awesome layout, but the drummer was confused alot and it made it sound like you didn't know what you were doing, when in reality I know you probably do.
    Yeah, part of it was the fact that he'd never recorded to a click before, and doesn't really have the best rhythm (not a great combo haha). I've worked with this guy for like four years, and he's always trying to do some goofy shit instead of just making them f***ing heavy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Re-Lapse
    Too much guitar. Way too much guitar, it cuts anything else out, alot of repeats, also. Which was mentioned.

    I would work on the getting the guitar toned down a bit, for those of us that don't run a Subwoofer (I do, but I'm on the laptop right now), it makes it sound like FSHHHHHH, almost through the whole guitar part.
    Fair enough, will do

    Quote Originally Posted by Re-Lapse
    Also, remind the drummer that the Cymbal isn't the only part to his drumset, get some more toms in there, get this thing goin', it's a rock song as far as I'm concerned, and it needs more rock to it...
    Again, I agree!

    Quote Originally Posted by Re-Lapse
    I think alot of the Guitar has to do with your amp not being all that jazzy and a bag of chips.
    Actually, it's a Mesa Triple Rec w/ new tubes and a 4x12: I just eq'ed the shit out of the guitars 'cause I don't know what I'm doing! I got way too much midrange and low-end when I tracked (didn't know what I was doing again), so I've been trying to fiddle with the sound to get it to fit. I'll have to listen to it through some other systems though, as my RP5's represent the guitar pretty well I thought...

    Quote Originally Posted by Re-Lapse
    You need a bass guitar in there too, so it levels out, cus I can't hear one, at all. But, I might be missing it.
    It's there man, just not very well represented. I should've tracked through his rig instead of direct-in then through an amp modeler. Live and learn I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Re-Lapse
    Fairly well recording, over all. Good job

    P.S. - We'll have to meet up when I move to Minnesota .
    Thanks man, will do!

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    Whe the ride cymbal kicks in its not the tightest. More about just for a moment that it kicks in though.
    Clean guitar sounds ok. It lacks character and warmth and depth, although their arent really any problem frequnecies.
    Sounds cool when it kicks in, but the guitars are a bit too grainy. Id like to hear a smoother distortion. Not sure if cutting slightly around 1-3K and or 5-8k would smooth tihngs out.
    Good mix for sure. Snare could do wth volume automation as its real quiet on some hits.
    Eck

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecktronic
    Whe the ride cymbal kicks in its not the tightest. More about just for a moment that it kicks in though.
    Clean guitar sounds ok. It lacks character and warmth and depth, although their arent really any problem frequnecies.
    Sounds cool when it kicks in, but the guitars are a bit too grainy. Id like to hear a smoother distortion. Not sure if cutting slightly around 1-3K and or 5-8k would smooth tihngs out.
    Good mix for sure. Snare could do wth volume automation as its real quiet on some hits.
    Eck
    Good call on the cleans, they definitely need some work I know. I kinda wish I'd had my KSM27 when I recorded it, instead of the 57. No biggie though, throw some compression and some nice eq on it, and some keyboards, it'll sit well I hope

    As for the snare, I'm using Sonar 4: is there a way to do volume automation on it? I'm sure there is, I just haven't messed with it yet.

    I'll cut those guitars too, see if I can increase the butter and decrease the grit!

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