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    this is my first post here, and also the first time I've tracked and mixed a band, though have been dickin around with my own stuff for some time. I kept it as simple as I could and really focused on the fundamentals, ya know, phase, perspective, depth, balance...etc

    This is my band, we're searching for a singer, so the purpose of this track is to aid in drawing some talent in, and also to practice my 'chops' as a recordist.

    Please give me some feedback, good or bad, I'm just trying to get better.

    I have shit for gear but we can discuss that later.

    Rough mix

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    wow man, that is sounding pretty good on this end. not much to comment on, improvement-wise. What gear are you using? maybe the bass guitar could come up a bit, and some slight mixing on the drums to balance out one of the louder cymbols.
    nice work.
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    Thanks for taking the time to listen. I see what you mean about the cymbals....
    I'd like to bring the hats down a little, too. I think I'm going to try to seperate the kick and bass a little bit more so I can bring the bass out without muddying up the bottom of the mix. I think I might also try a little flange or phaser action on the clean guitar to contrast it a little more against the bass.

    What gear are you using?
    Drums:
    Pearl export series (old heads, cracked cymbals)
    Kick, akg D112
    Snare top, sm57
    Snare bottom, shure bg1.1
    OH, Studio Projects C4's
    Room, Rode K2

    Guitars:
    Epiphone les paul
    Marshall G100R w/ marshall 2X12 cab, sm57 (for distorted guitars)
    Pod XT DI (clean guitars)

    Bass:
    Peavy T40
    Sans Amp bass DI

    Preamps:
    DBX 386, drum OH's/Distorted Gtr's
    Delta Omni, Kic/ Snare top
    Yamaha MG10/2, Snare bottom/Room

    DAW:
    P4 2.1ghz, 512mb ram
    Nuendo 2.2
    m-audio Delta 66 interface with omni breakout

    Monitoring:
    m-audio SP-5B's (the worst f'n speakers in the world)
    Polk Audio 250w Sub

    Outboard:
    Ashly CL-52 stereo compressor
    Line 6 DL4 delay

    Plugs:
    Kjaerhus Audio Classic Master limiter
    Kjaerhus Audio Classic Compressor
    Kjaerhus Audio Classic Reverb
    Paris EQ
    Big Tick Dual Delay
    SIR Impulse reverb
    Camel Phat Free
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    You say this is your first shot. Not bad at all.

    I like the space. And the guitar tone is good, they do feel a tiny bit unbalanced a little too heavy on the right.

    Low end could use some more energy, as was already stated. And I really don't like the snare. With a better snare tone it would take the song to another level.

    Around 2:30 theres a weird noise. It's not a cell phone, but kind of has a cell phone ring sort of quality to it. It's very quiet, but its there. Could be something vibrating or maybe its a sound effect you put in on purpose. Personnally found it distracting.

    Overall really good start. Take these suggestions for what their worth, they're offered totally constructively.

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    really really really proccessed sound to me. you got some parts going threough really heavy compression? heavy eq? back off on that...
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    Wow that sounds good for your first outing.
    I thought the kick sounded killer. Can you tell me about placement and any eq?
    Yeah, something i don't like about the snare, maybe not use the bottom mic?
    Or is the drum room mic up too much. The cymbals sound great, really crisp, but the toms and snare sound outta place.

    I think the bass is too compressed, like at solo :53, that line should pop out pretty cool I'd think, because the playing is good.

    guitars sounded great too me. The sound is nice and big only
    the way really cranked amps can.

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    good insights there guys....

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    I really don't like the snare. With a better snare tone it would take the song to another level.
    the drummer showed up at, like, 4:30 and we had to be done by 5, so I spent about 5 minutes getting levels and didn't adjust any of the mics for sound...and at the last minute he ducked taped the top snare head to keep it from ringing. I think that move really killed the tone. I'll dick around with it a little and see what I can do. What aren't you hearing in it? More high end, more snap? I could maybe split the track off and double it, maybe really eq and compress the crap out of it and blend it back underneath the untreated track?

    The wierd noise at 2:30 is the guitar tracks I left open...definatly going to take that out....

    shackrock, I think I may have killed it with the magneto plug on the 2 buss, first time I ever used it, I kinda liked the way it was making the kick break up, but it is kinda killing everything else, maybe I'll move it to the kick track and see how that sounds.

    As for the toms, they sounded like sh1t in the room.... not much one can do about that after the fact... As you can see, I had no tom mics, they were picked up in the oh's, and to a lesser extent, the room mic. What I did was split off all the tom hits on to a seperate track and squashed the hell out of them and added a touch of distortion to try and make them real trashy sounding...I'll work on the snare and If I have any succsess with that, I'll see what I can do about the toms

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    Wow that sounds good for your first outing.
    I thought the kick sounded killer. Can you tell me about placement and any eq?
    Thanks...I was really surprised by the kick myself...

    It sounded good on the room track, but like crap on the on the kick track. I placed a D112 in the hole facing where the beater hits the skin about 8 inches from the front head. I manually cut the silence between hits and faded the ends very quickly. I then ran it out of the interface to the ashly compressor set for about 6db of reduction and recorded that to a new track. I boosted about 10-12db around 70hz and noticed there was another accumulation of energy at about 140 so I cut it about 6-8db....I also added a little bit at 4 or 5k for the click. I then did the unspeakable and ran it through a multiband compressor just to tighten up the bottom....

    The guitar comment is really quite a compliment. Really. The amp really wasnt loud and I had to eq the crap out them to get them sounding right. I high passed them around 80hz, boosted at 240 and cut almost everything around 500-2k like 12db....they were waaaay too midrange-y

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    Sounds real good to me, and I like the groove of the song. A tad heavy for me but I may be able to get into it. Do you have the lyrics already? Looking for someone to sing on this track or an actual permanent singer?

    I can try and help if I can...
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    Sooooo much gear for a 1st run!!!!
    Up the cymbals,
    Give the bass some space or definition it's more a rumble than an instrument - might need to carve some space for it as there's a lot going on down low.
    The snare is a little thin.
    There's a Tool element around 2.19 when the bass is doing it's thing. the guitar part directly after that isn't too adventurous.
    & the mega bass drum speed kicks at 2.53 really don't make it through as much more than a tremelo thud.
    Good work - keep at it & I hope you get a voice - just, please, not a standard death metal howl from the bowel. The music's better than that.
    Cheers
    rayC

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