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    Hi all. Long time since I've been here, so a bit cheeky asking for feedback. Will give some soon though, promise.

    Main thing I'm interested in is sibilance, or over compensating for it at the start of the first verse. I think I sound like Sylvester the Cat. My girlfriend can't tell now as she knows the lyrics so if not sure if she's just filling in the gaps. At one point she said the vocals sound like I was underwater or had a mouth full of spit. Charming. Any feedback in general would be appreciated.

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    To start:

    -Change the kick to one that punches along with the bass. (listen to Eric Clapton's most recent LP 'I Still Do' to see a recent example of how the master Glyn Johns does it)
    -Change the snare to something that cuts through the mix better
    -Tighten up the rhythm acoustic guitar playing and widen the stereo feel of the acoustic guitars by either eq'ing each side differently or putting a slightly gritty electric on one side, and bring the volume up.
    -Firm up the bass so it doesn't sound so flubby
    -Vocals: put thru a neve 1073 pre and compress with LA2A and 1176 then add both a short delay of ~ 30 milliseconds and another longer delay of about 350 to 650 milliseconds and mix that in under the other, without being audible in tthe mix.
    -Solo guitar: more tasty licks and less modes

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    To start:

    -Change the kick to one that punches along with the bass. (listen to Eric Clapton's most recent LP 'I Still Do' to see a recent example of how the master Glyn Johns does it)
    -Change the snare to something that cuts through the mix better
    -Tighten up the rhythm acoustic guitar playing and widen the stereo feel of the acoustic guitars by either eq'ing each side differently or putting a slightly gritty electric on one side, and bring the volume up.
    -Firm up the bass so it doesn't sound so flubby
    -Vocals: put thru a neve 1073 pre and compress with LA2A and 1176 then add both a short delay of ~ 30 milliseconds and another longer delay of about 350 to 650 milliseconds and mix that in under the other, without being audible in tthe mix.
    -Solo guitar: more tasty licks and less modes
    Thanks FairWarning - I wasn't too happy with the snare and kick, so will look at changing those.
    I think the flubbyness in the bass is in the nature of the riff, with the sustained notes and the hammer on while keeping the open bass strings ringing. A tighter kick might help that though.
    As for vocals, I guess I need to get saving up for your solution :-) but i'll try playing about with the compressors I have and the delay ideas.
    Guitar solo - point taken, but I like that in this song.
    Thanks for taking the time to reply
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    Good song. In regards to sibilance - I didn't notice anything off, even when I went back a second time to specifically listen for it.

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    Thanks for that OatmealB. You know how it is when you've been tweaking a mix over and over and over...
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    Quote Originally Posted by toad_uk View Post
    ... I think the flubbyness in the bass is in the nature of the riff, with the sustained notes and the hammer on while keeping the open bass strings ringing.
    The nature of the riff has nothing to do with flubby bass. Check out Stevie Ray Vaughan's 'Life Without You' to see what I mean.

    As for vocals, I guess I need to get saving up for your solution :-)
    Plugin Alliance has their $25/mo. subscription service and they have an amazing 1073 and 1176 and Waves has their LA2A on sale right now for $36.

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    Well I think the tune itself is great and well written. At first I liked the way it sounded as a whole, but going on what Fairwarning was hitting on, the song is missing some energy and could just be kicked up a few notches in just about all areas. At times the bass is sounds buried along with the snare. Kick should be brought up a little too. The vocals sound good but I little muffled at times, but I like your voice and the way your singing it. Also, your solo area reminds me of Nugent....

    Stellar job, just needs some a little more ummph!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    The nature of the riff has nothing to do with flubby bass. Check out Stevie Ray Vaughan's 'Life Without You' to see what I mean.



    Plugin Alliance has their $25/mo. subscription service and they have an amazing 1073 and 1176 and Waves has their LA2A on sale right now for $36.
    Thanks, I'll check them out and have a look at the bass again. I've changed the kick and snare and that alone seems to have mad a world of difference.

    ---------- Update ----------

    Thanks Bruthish.
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    zz
    more raw
    push the vox wo ambience
    put more better in the chorus
    guitar solo yawn

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    Thanks Manslick

    Bit harsh about the solo. I quite liked it
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