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    Please help me with my mix!! I'm sending this off to have mastered Friday. This song will be an entry for The Warped Tour Battle of the Bands stage in Dallas. Any feed back would be greatfully appreciated. Also, I plan on using Massive Mastering.. he seems to have a pretty good reputation around here, any thoughts?
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    I can't speak for John, but I've heard good things about him, so no comments there. So whats the history on this song? engineers, locations?


    What kind of feedback are you looking for? Brutally honest? Or just a light critique?

    Nick picking or just general?

    I'm just trying to get a feel, cause I'm sure Im not the first to say it, but warp tour is one *tough* cookie to crack into. You're up against some serious competition, so I would definitly treat it as such.


    So the more info you can give us, the better we can help you!







    My only real question is:


    Despite whatever advice you get, is there still a possiblity to go back to the mix incase you need to make changes? Or is it too late in the game?
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    This song was recorded in a metal mini-storage and engineered by me. The song is a new one that we've been working on for a month. I know the warped tour is tough. We just want to play at the Dallas show. Check out battleofthebands.com for more info. Its all based on online voting. I'm just looking for first impressions on the song and for comments/suggestions on the production and mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeazii
    This song was recorded in a metal mini-storage and engineered by me. The song is a new one that we've been working on for a month. I know the warped tour is tough. We just want to play at the Dallas show. Check out battleofthebands.com for more info. Its all based on online voting. I'm just looking for first impressions on the song and for comments/suggestions on the production and mix.


    Ok, cool. So you obviously have your head in the right place. well then how bout this:


    Give me 10 minutes to look up what Warp Tour is up to this year and I'll be back to help you out. cool? As far as first impressions go, I dig the song, just that it might need some polishing.



    Also, if I understand correctly, there are a few label owners and A&R types floating around these forums. It would be nice to have one jump on board to give you the good advice I might not have.
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    Online Voting Contest:



    1. Starting June 16th, the 1st day of the 2006 Vans Warped Tour, we will open the voting process for your chance to win over $10,000 dollars in music gear.

    2. The top four bands with the most votes by the end of voting will win the prizes listed under the "Online Voting Contest" section of the "Prizes" page.

    3. These prizes are avaiable to every band that enters, regardless of being picked to play the Vans Warped Tour.

    **DO NOT CHEAT. One vote per person. We pay attention to this very closely. If you are caught cheating you will be disqualified from winning the aforementioned prizes.



    Ernie Ball Battle of the Bands Showcase Party: 2006 LIVE ON FUSE TV!



    1. If your band is picked to play the Vans Warped Tour, our eyes will be watching you set.

    2. Based on performance indicators including: musicianship, crowd support, originality and live energy, your band could be picked to play at the culmination of the Ernie Ball/Vans Warped Tour Battle of the Bands 10.

    3. Past winnders include: My American Heart, Race The Sun, The Tossers, Much the Same, The Feds, Split Habit, Straight Outta Jr. High, Poopan and more.






    Ok good:


    Out of this list, as far as I'm concerned, the only one you should be paying attention to 150% is number 1 and 2.



    1. If your band is picked to play the Vans Warped Tour, our eyes will be watching you set.

    2. Based on performance indicators including: musicianship, crowd support, originality and live energy, your band could be picked to play at the culmination of the Ernie Ball/Vans Warped Tour Battle of the Bands 10.

    The other stuff is just fluff to get you excited about playing warped tour and putting high hopes.


    So is it ok if I gave you in depth information? Or do you just want light opinions? Cause I can do both well. I mean this is what I do for a living, so you have me at your disposal.
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    Hit me!!! Be honest. Lets make it as good as we can brother. Thanks

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    Ok cool.....well lets see: There are many fronts we have to think about here.


    I mean, we gotta consider the politics, the production, the fan base, the live show, the identity....just that "shabam" factor that ties everything together.


    However, I'm sort of gonna omit any detailed production advice, because if the song doesn't work, it dosn't matter how well you engineer, it's still not gonna work. So I'd rather focus on the music.


    So like I said, as far as first impressions go, I dig. I like to point out the strengths and the weaknesses. If I only point out the weaknesses, then you won't know what the hell to go with! Quite honestly, when it comes to these demo submissions, the production value is not as important as the actual concept of the group and its music.


    First let's break down what warp tour is really saying in thier rules: (Bare with me, I've never seen you guys live, so some of this is stuff I'm just putting out there.)

    also, keep in mind that I'm a douchebag just like anyone else. except this douchebag has been around the block for a little while now.

    Musicianship- You have to be confident on stage. A crowd of people is comparable to a dog. They can tell if you're afraid or not. So if you want to impress on the stage, the live show has to come off dominant. You need impressional value. So if you're fucking up your guitar playing, people tell if somethings up.

    Luckly, they are not industry professionals, so you can get away with a lot of stuff just as long as you keep playing and with high energy.

    Remember, you're going to be auditioning for some of the most desensitized bastards you'll ever meet in this industry.

    crowd support- In the old days, you could kind of get by without this. These days, not anymore. If you can't turn on the crowd and get peanuts out of them, that's gonna hurt you really bad. Warp Tour wants bands that will attract business.

    The idea of warp tour is to attract the best unsigned talent they can find. So you have to give them a reason to be " the best unsigned talent" they can find.

    There are situations where the talent reps are going to say "this shit will never work...it'll never sell", but just because the crowd loved it, they went with it. So get the crowd to love you and you're gonna look very good. But you need to be more confident than the most confident asshole in that crowd. Scope out the trendsetters and hit them first.


    originality- that's a given. that's where alot of people fall short these days. There's gonna be so much regurgitated shit, that if you're caught doing the same thing, you've just shot yourself in the foot and you got no ground to stand on.


    Kind of like that movie, "Bring it On", where the other team did the same routine. The same applies here. Don't get caught sounding like everyone else, and yes, you can do little things to felp you stand out a little more.



    live energy-
    From all the live shows I've ever seen, I'd say this is probably the best example of a life line. You coudlnt imagine all the *shitty* music that I've heard that actually made the crowd beg for more!

    All because the energy level was fucking amazing. Especially in this punk/hardcore/emo/thrash/spazcore/metal whatever era.

    So if you do end up sucking live, then at least put every ounce of your being into that shitty performance.




    Now, on to the critique (strictly the music):


    Keep in mind that whatever I say can be complete bullshit, it's hit or miss in this business.

    The Good:


    The song seems to have a good tempo right off the bat. The performance seems to have good energy. If it was any other style of rock, I would of suggested tempo editing, but not this type of music.

    I can tell you guys worked out the song form a bit, cause the song tells me it's 3 and a half minutes, but it feels short and to the point.

    The vocals are a little hard to make out, but are high energy. I dig that.


    For the genre of music, for the most part, I can indentify that this is rooted well within it's genre.



    The Ugly:


    The part that nobody likes to hear, but of course, needs to be said.

    The music is missing something in a big way.

    The drums kick in, thats cool, guitars assault you with some standard riffage, the voice starts right off the bat, but something is missing.

    It's the type of song that if you where in the postion of the warp tour talent rep, you'd get into, but then you'd tell youself, "I dig it, but I can't do anything with this, it sounds too much like *something else*"

    Or how I've been told plenty of times, "your best is not good enough". That's a big ouch. But that statement is rhetorical, cause *anybody's* best can be good enough, if they know what to look for.

    The bands we like are instantly distinguishable, be it the voice, the guitar play, the drums, the song arrangments, the key you choose to write your songs in, tempo...whatever. They have that undeniable feel for thier specific style of music. The musical indentity is a reflection of your confidence and your experience.

    For example, Rancid has thier sound. Less than Jake has thier sound. My Chemical Romance, as much as I hate that band, they have things that are unique to them, but in a big way.

    So in my opinion, something has to be done to let this song stick out more. Not a complete overhall, just a little something. But think big! Think loud noises! Think dynamics! Think about what's exciting to you as a fan of music, and then over emphasize it!

    Oh I dunno, maybe something in the hook? perhaps introducing a certain cool guitar riff into a certain part of the song?

    You can also use a key change during your bridge to enhance the tension. So if you're playing in one key during your verses and choruses, and you suddenly bring it up on the guitar neck to a higher key, people are like "whoa!".

    I wish I could be specific, but that's such a personal taste thing. Plus I learned that the hard way from all the bands Ive produced. So don't be afraid to sit down with your song and tear it apart if you have to.


    I'll leave it at that so you can ask me questions or give me feedback so I don't end up talking too much.
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    Thanks for your suggestions Lee. You made many valid points. All the live stuff is a given. Before we ever get to that point though we have to make the cut during the online voting. So, right now the most important thing is making sure this song reaches its fullist potential. Any other opionions out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeazii
    Thanks for your suggestions Lee. . So, right now the most important thing is making sure this song reaches its fullist potential.


    Anytime brotha! I think you guys are gonna do fine



    I'm gonna roll on outta here, but I did try to direct any potential A&R folk here to check you guys out and suggest more advice. Good luck!


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    Just gonna throw this out as an example of a group that made it to warp tour and will be playing several of the shows this summer:

    http://www.purevolume.com/momentsintragedy

    It may or may not be along the lines of your style, but there's a lot to be learned from it. At their shows, these guys are all over the place. No standing in one spot and playing...they milk the showmanship angle for all it's worth. While they may sound like just another emo-core band, within the genre they have established their own distict sound.

    As Lee said, the energy is a HUGE, HUGE part of it. It's what will keep the band into the show, and it's what the crowd responds to. The trick is to not keep the energy up at the expense of musical quality. You could also try setting up a video camera to record a mock show to see what you look like from the crowd's perspective.

    As to musical style, the unfortunate trend these days is to more simplistic and clear, and the appreciation for complicated musical passages and difficult riffs has dropped a lot. Maybe it's just backlash from some of the excess of certain bands from days of yore.

    Don't hesitate to go with Massive Mastering. I've heard their work and it's very very good. Hope some of this helped out!

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