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    Happy Horney-Days everyone.

    I recorded this over the last week and tried mixing it last night. I had a few (a lot) drinks at the the time, though, so things might be way out of whack. My ears aren't any better this morning, so I still can't tell.

    My first instinct is to say the vocals are too loud, but I always think that about my voice, so I'm not sure. Also, not sure about the drum levels.

    Thanx to Ido, Chili, JoeyM, Mikeh, Gecko z, and even JordanD for their comments in the SongWriting Forum when I posted the lyrics a few weeks ago. I'm still not 100% satisfied with the lyrics, but your advice and brutal honesty made me work on them a lot. They're very different from what you guys originally read, but it comes from the same idea/tune that I had posted.

    Any help is always appreciated. I know I have more work to do on this one.

    POISON REMEDY
    Last edited by RAMI; 12-27-2008 at 12:52.

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    Might as well post the lyrics, since I mentioned them:


    Poison Remedy (words and music by RAMI)

    As I lie medicated again
    In the darkness of my cave while I'm shackled like a slave

    As I hide where the fog numbs all the pain
    Locked away inside a shell slowly burning in my hell

    (Chorus)
    Something in my head something on my mind
    Running right through my veins keeping me alive
    Seven deadly sins inside me
    I don't want it but I feel I need it
    I feel a hunger and the need to feed it
    It's my poison remedy

    Feeling lost as I wander all alone
    And I try in vain to hide this intoxicated mind

    (Chorus)
    Something in my head something on my mind
    Running right through my veins keeping me alive
    Seven deadly sins inside me
    I don't want it but I feel I need it
    I feel a hunger and the need to feed it
    It's my poison remedy

    Like a nightmare when you try to scream you wake up back home again
    I had the wings to fly but couldn't find the sky

    I look inside it's clear to see so clear
    Just can't let myself be me just can't let myself be free from the fear
    Feel this life has always been the beginning of an end

    (Chorus)
    Something in my head something on my mind
    Running right through my veins keeping me alive
    Seven deadly sins inside me
    I don't want it but I feel I need it
    I feel a hunger and the need to feed it
    It's my poison remedy

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    Vocal level sounds good to me. I'd bring up the guitars on the outside, and brighten them up a bit. Also, I'd bump the OH's quite a bit.

    Overall it sounds great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NL5 View Post
    Vocal level sounds good to me. I'd bring up the guitars on the outside, and brighten them up a bit. Also, I'd bump the OH's quite a bit.

    Overall it sounds great.
    Thanx buddy, I'm re-mixing it now and bringing up the gits. You sure about the overheads? You might be right, but I thought the hats and cymbals would be too loud if I brought them up any more. I'll try it out.

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    Absolutely love it, Rami!
    Poison Remedy is just the right title for it, too. The vocal harmonies sound so good! The mix could be a little more evil in my opinion, but that's just a matter of taste. Drums could bang a bit more and the bass could maybe use some gain to make it purrrrrr.
    GREAT SONG!

    Joe

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    Thanx a lot, Joey!

    I re-mixed it and will put up the new version soon. One thing I'm wondering about is if it drags a bit. I'm thinking I should have recorded a few BPM's faster. I think REAPER has a function where I can speed it up without changing the pitch. Anyone ever tried this??? I just need to bump it up a touch.

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    don't do what I do......
    I'm always finding something I wanna change in every mix.....
    The song sounds great as it is, already. The lyrics are great, exactly my taste. Remember I told you I love metaphors.... On reading them, I know exactly what you're talking about......
    I didn't find it dragging at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAMI View Post
    I think REAPER has a function where I can speed it up without changing the pitch. Anyone ever tried this??? I just need to bump it up a touch.
    I've done it in cubase, and it usually works pretty good if you're not changing it by very much. It also seems to work better if you sped up all the individual tracks, and not just the mixdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeym View Post
    don't do what I do......
    I'm always finding something I wanna change in every mix.....
    The song sounds great as it is, already. The lyrics are great, exactly my taste. Remember I told you I love metaphors.... On reading them, I know exactly what you're talking about......
    I didn't find it dragging at all.
    Thanx Joey. I don't usually keep picking at a mix. But I know that my first mix for any song is usually done too hastily, and too close to finishing tracking, so I don't have a good perspective because of that. I made a few changes to the mix; brought up the guitars and livened up the drums a bit.
    Quote Originally Posted by NL5 View Post
    I've done it in cubase, and it usually works pretty good if you're not changing it by very much. It also seems to work better if you sped up all the individual tracks, and not just the mixdown.
    Thanx NL, that's good to know for future reference. I kept it the same speed for now. I don't mix in my PC. I only bring in the 2-track master for final pseudo-mastering.

    Thanx for the help so far. I put up a new mix at the same URL in my OP.

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    RAMI,
    Brave lad working at that tempo whilst building so much tension. It works!
    I wouldn't speed it up at all. It's an excellent piece of recording. The harmonies are superb.
    I'm listening on h/phones so my opinions are probably useless AND you're about to post a newer mix so they're probably redundant too, nevertheless:
    Overall the mix sounds a little thin. It's wonderfully clear and no track seems to be fighting for space but a little thin.
    In the "I look inside it's clear to see, so clear" section there's some string/pick noise or something that distracts from the excellent texture. I know it's natural and so forth but in something this good it becomes an unwanted distraction. This may not be the case on speakers though.
    Excellent tune, arrangement and performance mate. I look forward to the tweakmix.

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