Room Resonance, Loud "C" Bass Note

Ok.......my mistake. Sorry. I should have realized that I can't be right if I'm disputing Mr. Angry. Please forgive me. I am not worthy.

you need facts not opinions

nothing to do with who you disagree with
it is whether the facts support your claims or not
 
you need facts not opinions

nothing to do with who you disagree with
it is whether the facts support your claims or not

Once again......please forgive me. I never meant to disagree with you or make you angry(er). All of us here need to realize that our facts could never be as good as your facts. And certainly our opinions are worthless. Very sorry. WE are not worthy.
 
Once again......please forgive me. I never meant to disagree with you or make you angry(er). All of us here need to realize that our facts could never be as good as your facts. And certainly our opinions are worthless. Very sorry. WE are not worthy.

facts are facts
either they are true or they are not true

either somebody has facts or they have opinions
 
facts are facts
either they are true or they are not true

either somebody has facts or they have opinions

It must be frustrating to live with us morons.......who.....no matter how much you try to educate us.........are still just morons. We'll never be you. You must realize that right? Why do you continue to frustrate yourself? Don't we give you a headache??
 
facts are facts
either they are true or they are not true

either somebody has facts or they have opinions

Ok dude. You have asked for opinions on other threads and dismiss them as not fact. There is science involving room acoustics. You keep asking others to forget about that and give opinion, and then shut it down as if you already have your answers.

WTF are you looking for? Obviously not friends who have experience...

Troll-ish at a minimum.

Please stop or be stopped.
 
Ok dude. You have asked for opinions on other threads and dismiss them as not fact. There is science involving room acoustics. You keep asking others to forget about that and give opinion, and then shut it down as if you already have your answers.

WTF are you looking for? Obviously not friends who have experience...

Troll-ish at a minimum.

Please stop or be stopped.

WTF

are you threatening me

Opinions are different from facts

when I ask for facts I expect facts

when I ask for opinions I expect to see a lot of wide ranging differences unless PC crap has gotten worse than I thought
 
It must be frustrating to live with us morons.......who.....no matter how much you try to educate us.........are still just morons. We'll never be you. You must realize that right? Why do you continue to frustrate yourself? Don't we give you a headache??

The world is full of morons.

I feel sorry for them. More sorry for those who do not try to learn how to think but are merely arrogant and then more arrogant.

I have no idea whether you are a moron or not.
 
WTF

are you threatening me

Opinions are different from facts

when I ask for facts I expect facts

when I ask for opinions I expect to see a lot of wide ranging differences unless PC crap has gotten worse than I thought

Yeah, the fact is you are asking for opinions and expecting facts that cant be proved...

Am I threatening? Nope, I'm doing.
 
He has only given vague opinions in every thread he posts in...and not a single fact anywhere even once (look through all his threads/posts)...yet he demands that everyone caters to his requests for absolute facts and proof. :facepalm:

He's just trolling and looking to stir up controversy.

I got $10 that says the guy doesn't even really record anything seriously...he just reads about it on the internet, and the rest of the time he writes about conspiracy theories. :D
 
He has only given vague opinions in every thread he posts in...and not a single fact anywhere even once (look through all his threads/posts)...yet he demands that everyone caters to his requests for absolute facts and proof. :facepalm:

He's just trolling and looking to stir up controversy.

I got $10 that says the guy doesn't even really record anything seriously...he just reads about it on the internet, and the rest of the time he writes about conspiracy theories. :D

I am not trolling.

When you are show to be FOS and illogical you resort to insults like trolling.

You can bet anything you want but that is just more libtard method of trying to prove you are right when you have no facts.

My opinions are no vaguer than yours. But often I actually use logic and facts which you refuse to do.
 
OK...then give us some facts, some proof....and not just your subjective opinions.
So far...not...a...one.
You make all kinds of claims, but you never provide any facts...yet you demand them from everyone else.

Just a lot of blah, blah, blah and plenty of trolling for effect.
 
On that topic....and not to start a new debate........but have you ever wondered about how many people listen to music on headphones these days........as opposed to not very long ago? Cheap ear buds.....cheap cans.......very few seem to be walking around with what I would deem to be decent headphones. All my nieces and nephews only listen on buds or cans.....or Alexa devices. Lots of friends and relatives my age also only listen on buds or cans. Very few of them even have what we oldsters would call a stereo system in their home. I think there's some merit to more emphasis on headphone mixing / mastering. Not to say that can't be done on monitors of course........just saying that there's a HUGE bunch of people who only listen on cans or buds...............and even though monitors can get you there......the unique characteristics of buds and cans might call for a different kind of mix??? Just wondering.

Yeah, that's an interesting question. But I'm not sure that a headphones only approach is the right solution. I believe that people are using ear buds more and more these days. But it's really hard to determine how many or what percent. There are still other systems out there, including laptops, car stereos, and the occasional real stereo. :D So you probably need to continue to factor in all systems. Besides, if earbuds represented 100 percent of the listening market, why mix on studio phones? Why spend $500 when you are mixing for the kid using $10 earbuds?

My sense is that this process is in flux but we are nowhere close to the point where studios will begin going to a pure headphone solution. Are engineers listening to mixes on earbuds? I bet they are. And they may have even replaced the car as the go-to first mix check. But I don't see the studio monitor business going South any time soon.
 
We should get back to the resonant C. I'm dying to find out if it's the desk or something else.
:eatpopcorn:

If it's the desk and he can't move it, I'm going to argue for a four foot desk made of R-30. It may be a little itchy, but it might solve the problem. :laughings:
 
Yea, again, I'm gonna try a few different things and tests. I'm going up to my cabin for the weekend though, so won't really be able to do any serious testing until I get back.

Among all the bickering lol, there was some good suggestions I'm going to be trying. I'll also try to post a few pics of the desk and room.
 
Yea, again, I'm gonna try a few different things and tests. I'm going up to my cabin for the weekend though, so won't really be able to do any serious testing until I get back.

I thought you said you found the cause here...

Found the culprit, a doubled guitar track with light distortion has a light palm-mute part during the verse, and when on the "C" it was resonating too loud, along with the bass.

So I guess you just want to know why just that song in your room.
Do any of your other song boom on the C note in your room?

I think it's more than just looking at commercial "C" note songs...it's probably the total peak value of the guitar/bass at that spot, and it just so happens that it is enough to create some room resonance with your speakers/desk etc.
I've had that happen occasionally with some amps in the room...it's like one note or the way it's played, it will cause something to vibrate.

One thing that can work without clipping the tops...is to isolate the spot on the two tracks and then just move one (or both) of the notes apart by a few samples.
It can reduce the total peak value without you needing to compress the whole thing there.
 
Hey Miroslav. What I meant by culprit was that I noticed it was even a little boomier when in context, the culprit was that muted guitar track, but the bass booming more prominently on "C" notes was the real issue. That guitar part just made me realize it's not always just the bass that does it. Yea, other recordings of mine that use that same C note boom also. It's only an issue on recordings that have that low octave "C", so it's definitey a room/speaker/table problem, one of the three. And upon further listening, commercial recordings do boom a little bit there also.

When I step away from my listening position, the boom stops. Strange. Funny though, 'cuz even though the boom stops when I step away, those "C" notes can make the drum kit rattle which is 10 feet away. But standing by the kit, you don't hear the extra boom.

Sorry if I sound like an idiot, the intricacies room acoustics is all pretty new to me.
 
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When I step away from my listening position, the boom stops. Strange. Funny though, 'cuz even though the boom stops when I step away, those "C" notes can make the drum kit rattle which is 10 feet away. But standing by the kit, you don't hear the extra boom.

Sorry if I sound like an idiot, the intricacies room acoustics is all pretty new to me.

No...you're not an idiot.
What you are noticing and describing is a very common issue in many rooms...and you're describing it perfectly.

It's a LF node at your listening position, so when you are there you hear it, but when you step away, it seems to disappear, bit of course it's still there, and the LF sound waves are moving through the room.

Not sure how you have things set up...but you might move the speakers/desk a bit forward or back...sometimes even by 3-4", and that node may also move away from your listening position. It's not gone...it just moves to a different spot.
By moving your speakers the speakers you alter where the same outgoing and incoming/reflecting soundwaves/frequencies are intersecting.
Where they intersect (mostly a LF issue), you can get a node or a null.

The frequencies for "C" notes are: C0-16.35Hz, C1-32.70, C2-65.41, C3-130.81, C4-261.63...and so on up.
Middle C is C4...so it sounds like your "low C" is probably the C2, which means you have a node at 65Hz.
Try moving the speakers
How far away are they from the *front* wall? If they are just a few inches...try pushing them right up to the wall, almost touching.
Are these rear-ported monitors or front ported...?

Did I make any sense? :)
 
Did I make any sense? :)

It does to me. :D

Everyone who has a room of any kind should play a low frequency test tone (60hz, 80hz, 100hz, take your pick) and walk around the room. If you've never done this, it's a real mind blowing experience. The nulls are especially interesting. I mean, how could the sound practically disappear? It's as if sound was a fluid traveling through the room like a giant wave with peaks and valleys. :D
 
I’ve got a LF node in a couple spots in my space. Oddly.........there’s one in the hallway just outside the door to the room as well. As best I can tell they’re all below 80hz or thereabouts.
 
I've actually thought exactly the same thing. Our specialist music we sell is played in big rooms, with very random speaker placement by the individual organisations who buy it. We mixed a new product paying great attention to the stereo-ness of the big orchestrations of real instruments and sound effects, and then used a couple of our client's premises to test them and discovered the mixes were awful because people would be near one speaker or the other, and not hear half the sound field. Our re-mix is virtually mono now, and better. Maybe old fashioned real hifi systems being unpopular means a re-think?. Also - have you noticed how many earphones users only have one in, or share one set - one earbud each for two people. Maybe the shrinking of the field is how its' going, almost mono.


Listen to some of the newer music being released these days (indie, not pop) - there is hardly any stereo field in it as far as I can tell.
 
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