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    Welcome to the club for people who have discovered that the best way to solve recording problems is during the actual recording, not with fancy or time consuming fixes when you mix!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbsy View Post
    Welcome to the club for people who have discovered that the best way to solve recording problems is during the actual recording, not with fancy or time consuming fixes when you mix!
    Hey, on my OWN music, when I'm recording myself, I'll always take the time to get the part right, and I'm a firm believer that great mixes start with great tracks.

    Recording other people, you don't always have that luxury. It took us several hours to get a couple "good enough" takes that I was confident I could edit something together that would sound reasonably well performed, but, shame on me, I didn't really hone in on how obtrusive that breathing was going to be in the mix.

    I'm really amazed by how good a job the Spectral Editor did. It's not perfect, and I'm going to want to spend another night on it really honing in on the smaller breathing noises now that I've addressed the major ones, but it absolutely allowed me to save a take and avoid several hours of tracking headaches while we tried to get another, cleaner performance down, with a guitarist who isn't used to recording or playing several hours at a time so we'd be severely compromising his ability to work on new music afterwards.

    Anyway, thanks for the help, guys! I'll try to post up an "after" version of the first clip in a day or two, once I finish cleaning it and replace the scratch bass performance.
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    Spent some more time with this last night. On one hand, it's in pretty good shape, WAY better than it was, and in a pinch is totally usable now, so for the time being I'll keep moving forward with this take as if it's a keeper.

    On the other, it's still not a great performance, and it was so quiet when played that basic ambient "white noise" is audible in the recording (especially as it's a two-track stereo recording in a sparse mix), and I've never REALLY been impressed by how transparent noise reduction audio repair plugins are. So, when we next get together, we've got one more track lined up to record, and assuming we get through it with enough time to spare I'm going to suggest we tackle this song again - I'd like a better guitar AND vocal performance on it, and I guess as a silver lining if we're working on this track, it's easier to push back on going back and re-recording all of my uncle's (excellent) earlier vocals. :lol:

    Anyway, I'll have to bump this once I have a final recording. Thanks for everyone's time and help!
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    Do it right the first time...

    The mic for the job is NOT always your best studio mic.

    Sometimes you just don't want to pic everything up!

    Using a lesser mic, turning down sensitivity, tilting the head a smidge on puffs (p's), and having the singer sing a little louder will work wonders.

    Experiment a little with different mics, and use multiple mics if you want and eq the mixes.

    You'll get there, but recording is where you fix it, not afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivingEdge View Post
    You'll get there, but recording is where you fix it, not afterwards.
    Sure.

    But sometimes 'before' is not an option, and all you have available is 'afterwards'.

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    Surely there must be an acoustic guitar lying around with a pickup on it. Now mic it up as well as direct inject. You will have the microphone performance as a sonic blueprint for easy comparison to adjust the tone of pickup signal, blend in some of the mic panned away to create a wider image, get the details of the performance from the pickup, and use the mic track with a filter to reduce the breath noise. One thing about the DI track, you can gobsmack that thing with compression or whatever, breathing will not be a factor. Hope that helps.....

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    The way round this, IMHO and in my experience, is to use figure of eight pattern mics. Even when recording singing guitarists I have been able to use two ribbon mics set at 90 degrees vertically so that one points at the vocalist and the null at the guitar and the other points at the guitar and the null at the vocalist. There is bleed, can't be helped, but it is really low enough to be treated as non-existent. If just using one mic pointing at the guitar the breathing can be in the null and therefore minimised.

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    Sure.

    But sometimes 'afterwards' is not an option, and all you have available is 're-do'.

    Running compressors too hot can cause problems, too.

    I can tell you this... I record my wife on guitar w/vocals using only one mic.

    My favorite is through a TC-Helicon Voicelive Rack w/no harmonies, just effects.

    I dial in what we want for the song and print it! No messing around.

    I get totally rid of 'afterwards' for single acoustic/vocal takes; works for me!



    Quote Originally Posted by gecko zzed View Post
    Sure.

    But sometimes 'before' is not an option, and all you have available is 'afterwards'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivingEdge View Post
    But sometimes 'afterwards' is not an option, and all you have available is 're-do'.
    The context is important.

    Yes . . . 'afterwards' is not an option if the input has been totally screwed, and the only way to fix it is to re-record.

    But it seems that in this particular case, the 'before' option is either not available or not practical, so to preserve what you have to deal with the 'afterwards'.

    Doing this does not in any way diminish the desirability of getting the 'before' right in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gecko zzed View Post
    The context is important.

    Yes . . . 'afterwards' is not an option if the input has been totally screwed, and the only way to fix it is to re-record.

    But it seems that in this particular case, the 'before' option is either not available or not practical, so to preserve what you have to deal with the 'afterwards'.

    Doing this does not in any way diminish the desirability of getting the 'before' right in the first place.

    Quoting the OP:
    I'm kind of at a loss what to do about it. I know the RIGHT thing is to just re-record the acoustic guitar on this

    Quoting you:
    the 'before' option is either not available or not practical

    Me:
    The "before" option is both "available" and "practical", unless I'm totally missing something.

    OP, just do it right from now forward and the jokes will go away.

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