Automation EQ and Automation manually

walters

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When during post production what kind of EQ automation do u guys do?

The Korg D3200 32-Track Hard Disk Recording Workstation
can do automation EQing,panning,fader volumes

What kind of Automation do u guys use in general please?

My Tascam 2488 doesn't do any automation at all i have to either do it manual moving the pan pots, fader volumes and eqing during MIXDOWN which is really hard and i only have 2 hands and 10 fingers

Or i have to PRINT and bounce the panning,fader volumes and EQ sweeping movements and effects parameter movements i have to multiple PRINT over and over to RECORD all these movements with automation is solves alot of this

I have to use rackmount or pedal Auto panning panners to sweep the panning

Can u guys tell me how u guys use automation manually or auto ?
 
draw automation curves in record automation
record automation
mixing automation
motorised faders, under computer control, that can reproduce the fader moves you made earlier, or to use voltage controlled amplifiers (VCAs) controlled by standard manual faders. In the VCA system, no audio passes through the faders -- they're just used to produce a DC voltage that is read by the automation computer to determine the fader position. By contrast, most moving-fader systems route the audio signal through the fader in the conventional manner.
Initially the VCA approach was popular as motorised faders were expensive, but one disadvantage of VCA systems is that, as the faders don't move while the mix is playing back, you have no visual feedback of the actual levels unless you use a system to which a computer monitor screen can be connected. A typical VCA system with a screen will often show both the physical position of the faders and the virtual fader level corresponding to the VCA gain. Where edits need to be made to the mix data, the screen may be used to match up the actual fader levels to their virtual values to prevent sudden level jumps at the edit point, and on systems with no screen, a system of LEDs is often used -- for example, a couple of up/down arrow-shaped LEDs next to the fader -- to tell the user which way to move the fader in order to match the VCA level. When a match is achieved, the LEDs may go out or they may both come on -- it depends on what the designer felt was best. Early VCAs also compromised the sound and/or headroom of the console to some extent, though modern versions can be almost as good as a fader, with the added benefit that they don't go scratchy with age or dust.
The moving-fader approach is arguably better from a visual feedback point of view, because the fader level always relates to the actual gain setting of the channel. The negative aspects are that moving faders can go noisy in exactly the same way as manual faders, and the mechanical noise of the faders moving during a mix can be distracting.
Virtually all analogue mixers that offer fader automation also have a system for automating channel mutes and sometimes effect send/return mutes as well. Mutes are a useful way of controlling noise, as the background hiss from 16 or more tracks soon adds up, no matter how well recorded they are. In general, tracks are muted when nothing is playing so they're not contributing to the overall background noise level. Mutes may also be used to remove recorded parts that are no longer required in a particular section of the song for artistic reasons.
Mix Data
When a mix is being set up, the data generated by manual fader movements is stored in a computer. With more serious automation systems, the computer will be either a part of the mixer or an external unit dedicated to the mixer, but at the lower end of the market, it's not unusual for the mix data to be sent as MIDI so that you can record it into a standard MIDI sequencer. How easy the mix data is to edit in this case depends on how sophisticated your sequencer is.
Once a rough mix has been written, the mix data on individual mixer channels may be replaced or modified, much like doing a punch-in on a multitrack tape recorder, and thus fine-tuned until everything is exactly right. Only then is the mix run to the master stereo recorder.
Fader Groups
With a manual analogue mixer, it's necessary to use the desk's routing busses if you want to subgroup a set of channels while mixing. However, an automated desk, whether VCA or moving fader, can generally handle automated fader grouping without the need to involve the group busses. Once a number of faders have been assigned to the group, operating one of the faders in that group causes the levels of the entire group to be adjusted, maintaining any relative level differences that may have been set up. On a moving fader desk, all the faders in the group will move when the controlling fader is moved, and if the scaling has been done properly, all the faders will reach the bottom of their travel at the same time, regardless of their relative positions at the start of the fade.
VCA Fader Modes
When you first write (it's conventional to say we 'write' automation data rather than record it) a set of mix moves using a VCA console, it's normal to use 'Absolute' mode, where the VCA levels correspond precisely to the fader positions. With a basic moving-fader analogue console, the fader positions always reflect the true channel gain setting, so they are, in effect, always in absolute mode. Figure 1, opposite, shows how the channel gain responds in Absolute mode.
Once the first rough mix has been written, though, you may want to make further adjustments, but find that while some faders are at sensible positions somewhere near the middle of their travel, others are almost at the bottom of their travel. This is where another mode, called Trim or something similar, comes in. This mode allows the faders on a VCA console to be moved to more convenient mid-way positions (the 0dB position is most logical) without the VCA gains changing. Then, when the mix is resumed, moving the faders either way from their new position will increase or decrease the existing VCA values. When in this mode, mix data that's written doesn't replace the existing data but instead modifies it. This is very useful if you have a mix that's more or less OK, but have one or two phrases that need to be made louder or softer. All you need to do is switch to Trim mode, start writing mix data on the selected channel, then use the fader to lift or drop the level of the mix data already written for that channel. For example, if you push the fader up by 3dB, the existing mix data will be increased in level by 3dB. Figure 2, on page 50, shows how the levels behave in Trim mode
When you come to play back your mix data, the console is placed into Read mode. To recap then, when a fader is in Write mode, the gain is controlled by your fingers. When it's in Read mode, the computer calls the shots.
Some consoles also have a mode that flips the channel from Read to Write mode if you grab hold of the fader during a mix playback. When you release the fader, the channel goes back to Read mode. On a less expensive console, it's more common to have a button associated with each channel that is the equivalent of the 'record select' button on a multitrack recorder. Depending on the mixer, this button is used to arm individual channels (you have to select whether you want to write fader, mute or other data elsewhere in the system) or to punch in and out of write mode for that channel. No two automation packages are exactly the same, though most follow similar basic rules, so it is is essential that you read the manual for your automated desk.
Snapshots
A snapshot, sometimes called a scene, is simply a set of automation data reflecting the state of the console fader gains and mutes at the time the snapshot was stored. On a digital console, the snapshot may also include the pan, EQ, aux, effects and dynamics settings, though input gain trim settings are rarely automated. If you're doing a complex mix that requires lots of changes to happen instantaneously, it's often easier to create a snapshot, which can be called up at the appropriate time (under control of the automation), than to spend ages editing your mix to change lots of fader and mute settings.
Most automated desks will be able to store a number of automation snapshots in their internal memory, and these may be called up at any time during a mix as part of the normal automation process. Further refinements include the ability to isolate individual channels so they're not affected when a snapshot is recalled.
Digital Console Automation
Digital consoles may be designed to emulate VCA-style automation (non-moving faders) or they may have moving faders, but because no audio passes through the faders on a digital desk, you don't have the restriction that the faders must always correspond to the actual channel gain setting. Not only does this make it possible for a moving fader desk to emulate VCA Trim and Offset modes, it also means that the faders can be switched off when appropriate so their noise and movement doesn't distract you. Unfortunately, not all moving-fader digital desks offer this latter facility.
While it's unusual to find an analogue console that offers automation of more than the channel levels, the mutes and the master stereo output level, modern digital consoles can be designed to automate pretty much everything -- levels, pans, aux send/return levels, EQ, and mutes. What's more, most digital desks include one or more built-in digital effects processors, and often dynamics control such as compression or gating, sometimes on every channel. More often than not, it's also possible to automate aspects of these effects and dynamics processors. Digital desks also offer fader grouping and have the facility to store snapshots, frequently with features not found on analogue desks, such as the ability to 'morph' from one snapshot to another over a period of time set by the user.
Note that Yamaha digital desks take a slightly different approach to most others, in that you can't just put the desk into write mode and then start mixing. Instead, you must create a snapshot or scene that represents the conditions at the very start of your mix, and then write automation data from that point on. Further snaphots may be introduced during the mix if required. In essence, your mix data comprises both dynamic automation and snapshot data.
Timing And Saving
Obviously the console automation system has to keep time with your multitrack recorder, and the usual way of doing this is to run MTC or SMPTE, depending on the automation system you're using. In effect, the automation system is always in slave mode, and most models drop out of write mode automatically when the timecode stops. Once a write pass has been made, there should be the option to update the mix with the new moves you've just written, or to abort the last pass and leave the mix as it was. Depending on the system, you may also have the facility to store multiple mix histories, allowing you to return to any point in a project, or you may have only one mix which is constantly updated. In this latter case, saving some interim versions to disk can be helpful. Those consoles without inbuilt disk drives -- such as the Yamaha 03D -- allow you to save a limited number of mixes to a non-volatile (battery backed-up) internal memory. At any time, these internal memories can be dumped via MIDI to any suitable MIDI storage device or sequencer.
Effect Send knobs can be automated
Effect Send knobs can be automated
Mixer automation
You can record changes of e.g. volume of all individual tracks during the song, this will then be played back exactly as recorded during playback.
Enhanced mixer automation (0.8 current CVS) with parameter curves!
With the 0.8 version (which is in the early alpha state now -> CVS ) a very new and innovative controller handling (controller curves) will be introduced. You can set points in the arranger which will be interpolated by lines from which then the controller values will be computed. The big advantage not only the volume of a track can be controlled very individually even every controller like cutoff, velocity, pitch, ... can be controlled like this!
Automation data is generated whenever a mixer parameter value is changed using the on-screen controls or the hardware control surface, and can be recorded dynamically to any one of 128 available automation tracks (one per mixer column; by default the automation data for each mixer column is recorded to the track that has the same number).
individual automation events, thinning of automation curves, and automation curve selection within Parts (each recorded parameter is displayed as a curve that occupies an individual layer within the corresponding Part). In addtion to dynamic automation recording, automation
Snapping nodes to tempo
smooth curves and use LFOs and even formulas to create automation curves.

I think both FruityLoops and Orion demonstrate how automation should be executed in many ways.
Pattern automation can also be used to control one or more parameters on any instrument, FX or mixer device. Named automation events
(sub)track when you add automation data, which could be renamed, chopped up and moved around as easily as a normal midi part. And easy simultaneous viewing of several automation channels would be nice.
automatic controller assignment of Logic is limited to 64 parameters
pattern based sequencer or a track based sequencer. I like to be able to drag an envelope to see how the automation develops in relation to the other tracks like in Cubase. But in a pattern based sequencer, you need to decide if automation should be done on the track level or on the song level. Then there's the mixer automation. It seems harder to line up and move automation when its drawn in as opposed to an editable line which you can see in the same window as the part your automating. Track view with the automation seems to me to be superior? Maybe a combination?
Orion where you have a dropdown menu of all the parameters and you just select the one you wish to automate.. (also a link to next midi controller msg would be cool too) then have a pen tool, eraser, select tool, line tool, smoother, apply lfo's or interesting mathematics
nodes snapping to tempo/quantise, to allow for rhythmically exact automation
quantizing and graphing automation with some helper tools, such as creating a sinewave or triangle waveform LFO automation.

VST automation for Tracktion
"automation" clips that you can assign to various tracks. Junction "automation filters
assign the same curve to multiple parameters
converting MIDI CC to automation data, probably through Junctions
automation channels
curves will be position-dependant
globally" change all the parameters at the same time because they are all attached to that same automation clip.

can (pretty much) do this in Reason today because I can create a matrix that I can run CV (basically CC data) into a CV Spider, and then go out of that spider into up to 4 different CV ports on different synths and different parameters. Need more CV ports? Chain multiple CV Spiders together. Its a cool concept and is working well. Not trying to make Tracktion into Reason, but that functionality would be supersweet with clips and more flexible
Creating a tempo synced hyper LFO Automation from an audio
Multiply - This parameter lets you decide how to combine the LFO values with the "main" spline envelope of the Automation Clip
 
good lord kid, do you just copy and paste product manuals and white papers after you ask a question?? Or do you even read any of that stuff??....I'd have thought you'd have stopped asking stuff like this by now.
 
and i forgot u don't have any clients either so put that in there also

Glen J. Stephan,
Digital Media Engineer
SouthSIDE Onetrickpony Multimedia Productions studio inc.
NO clients this whole year
Live off wife

I wonder why :rolleyes:
 
man, what is this 'walters' guys deal? i try to read as many threads as i can, and any thread hes involved in im just like wtf? :confused:
 
Greg_L said:
man, what is this 'walters' guys deal? i try to read as many threads as i can, and any thread hes involved in im just like wtf? :confused:
For the past year or so he has taken the role of internet clown, going around to audio-related website forums (Home Recording is not the only one) and posting nonsensical questions based upon recent buzzwords or topics du jour that he comes across in other people's threads, just trying to get people's dander up.

We all have been bugged by him at one time or another, but anybody who has been through more than two of his threads knows not to take him seriously. Now he has evolved simply into a source for threads in which people can blow off some stress with a little comic relief and punch line exercise.

G.
 
Hmmmm.... Walters has always been interesting and sometimes even thought provoking in a convoluted way, but previously never mean. Never seemed even to respond in kind to insults.

Walters, why'd you change that?

Tim
 
Timothy Lawler said:
Hmmmm.... Walters has always been interesting and sometimes even thought provoking in a convoluted way, but previously never mean. Never seemed even to respond in kind to insults.

Walters, why'd you change that?

Tim
It's the state of the world. We're not in Kansas any more. Always remeber and never forget: Chances are, Walters is his own father.
 
Maybe thought-provoking in the way that making alphabet aoup out buzzwords and trying to fathom the meaning of the random phrases would be.... but otherwise, seriously?????


Timothy Lawler said:
Hmmmm.... Walters has always been interesting and sometimes even thought provoking in a convoluted way, but previously never mean. Never seemed even to respond in kind to insults.

Walters, why'd you change that?

Tim
 
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