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    To the pro masterers here, how often are you asked to do everything including deciding the song order on a mastering job?

    I would think that sometimes the song order is up to you, sometimes the artist (or producer) decides, and sometimes the artist/producer might know where they want certain songs but leaves the rest up to you?

    When it's left up to you, how do you go about putting it together, let's say for a rock project. Do you take tempos into consideration, the keys of the songs, the mood??? Probably all of those? I'm also guessing that you'd approach an unkown act differently than a "name" artist"?

    Just curious how the decision-making takes place when it comes to song order.

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    Maybe 1 in 20 asks for advice on song order. Used to be slightly more.

    Those are big decisions... Usually band meetings with indies, focus-groups with labels, etc.

    It happens -- Usually it's more of a "we know we want these two first, but if you have any advice for these three after that and then we want these two in order, etc." type thing.

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    Since I'm not a pro I guess I can't answer the question. I do have a good answer tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgeaspen View Post
    Since I'm not a pro I guess I can't answer the question. I do have a good answer tho.
    Oh, don't be so sensitive.

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    on the pb's cd, we chose the song order.
    Interesting AND informative.

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    I chose and will choose the song order for every album ever made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_L View Post
    I chose and will choose the song order for every album ever made.
    Yeah me too.

    I was actually wondering more about the how and why people arrange their CD's. Start off with a bang but save the biggest band for later? Just put them in the order of what you think your best tunes are, starting with the "best"? Think more along the lines of tempo and build up to faster tunes?

    I do it by instinct more than anything I guess. But I wonder if I should put more thought in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAMI View Post
    Yeah me too.

    I was actually wondering more about the how and why people arrange their CD's. Start off with a bang but save the biggest band for later? Just put them in the order of what you think your best tunes are, starting with the "best"? Think more along the lines of tempo and build up to faster tunes?

    I do it by instinct more than anything I guess. But I wonder if I should put more thought in it.
    Here's how I did mine. I thought of it in terms of an old vinyl LP:

    Track 1) strong
    Track 2) stronger
    Track 3) rip heads off
    Track 4) change it up a little
    Track 5) really throw em a curveball
    Track 6) getting back to normal - if this was an LP, it would be the end of side one
    Track 7) strong - beginning of side two
    Track 8) stronger
    Track 9) curveball/weaker song
    Track 10) filler/weaker song
    Track 11) decent song
    Track 12) rip heads off to close the album

    I like the way my album flows together, so my formula worked for me. Your results may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_L View Post
    Here's how I did mine. I thought of it in terms of an old vinyl LP:

    Track 1) strong
    Track 2) stronger
    Track 3) rip heads off
    Track 4) change it up a little
    Track 5) really throw em a curveball
    Track 6) getting back to normal - if this was an LP, it would be the end of side one
    Track 7) strong - beginning of side two
    Track 8) stronger
    Track 9) curveball/weaker song
    Track 10) filler/weaker song
    Track 11) decent song
    Track 12) rip heads off to close the album

    I like the way my album flows together, so my formula worked for me. Your results may vary.
    Actually, that's pretty cool. And close to what I've done, especially the first half.

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    I always thought you might put just about the best song as the first. Unless you feel your 4th best will keep them listening. At least they'll listen to one before they decide the rest is filler.

    Interestingly enough, with websites I've used that show stats, the first song almost ALWAYS gets twice the plays as the rest and typically tapers off as you get towards the end. But..maybe that's why it tapers off... it slowly gets worse!

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