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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDwarf View Post
    Thanks all. So then you would add the wind in to the 2 tracks later?
    That would probably be the way to do it. You'd provide two tracks (wav), the wind sample (wav), and probably a guide track (mp3) showing how you want the tracks to flow into each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massive Master View Post
    Tracks are nearly always mastered independently (but typically in the same EDL) and assembly is done after. Otherwise, you can never have the track on its own
    I'm confused here. Does this^^^^^^ contradict this below ?
    Quote Originally Posted by gecko zzed View Post
    I would master the two as if they were a single track, i.e. make it one track that consists of Song 1 - wind - Song 2.
    I would then use a tracker marker to create a gap-less split for CD
    Can two songs that run into each other be mastered as one song but have a marker of some sort put in so that they appear on the CD as 2 songs but no jump between them as they play ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimtraveller View Post
    I'm confused here. Does this^^^^^^ contradict this below ?

    Can two songs that run into each other be mastered as one song but have a marker of some sort put in so that they appear on the CD as 2 songs but no jump between them as they play ?
    When an album is mastered it's exported as a single audio file. If it's exported as Bin/Cue, there will be a second file that specifies where the markers go. If it's exported as a DDP 2.0, there will be several files for markers, track/disc info, checksum etc. in addition to the audio file. Either way you can have continuous audio with markers wherever you want, within some limits. It's not a bunch of separate audio files played in sequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimtraveller View Post
    I'm confused here. Does this^^^^^^ contradict this below ?

    Can two songs that run into each other be mastered as one song but have a marker of some sort put in so that they appear on the CD as 2 songs but no jump between them as they play ?
    I do mixing and mastering work for someone who specialises in electronic music. His music is seamless, with one track flowing into the next. Even though there are a number of "tracks", it is really just one long, 40 minute track, and the whole thing is mastered as one long track.

    In Reaper (and probably possible on other programs as well), I insert markers where the virtual tracks are and render a CD image, the result being a CD without gaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouldersoundguy View Post
    Either way you can have continuous audio with markers wherever you want, within some limits. It's not a bunch of separate audio files played in sequence.
    Quote Originally Posted by gecko zzed View Post
    In Reaper (and probably possible on other programs as well), I insert markers where the virtual tracks are and render a CD image, the result being a CD without gaps.
    Thanks guys !

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    Thanks everybody for this - didn't realize how little I actually know about mastering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDwarf View Post
    didn't realize how little I actually know about mastering
    It still falls into the realm of the 'mystic arts' for me !

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    I'll clear something up also - I'd *process* each tune individually. During the actual creation of the master DDP, they'd be assembled per your specs with the seamless transition. But in the end, you'd have the individual files also.

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    This is the way it's been done since the 70s

    Mastering engineers usually want a finished product. You would be asking them too much of a creative decision for someting you hear in your head.

    You should do the crossfade by using two stereo tracks in whatever DAW you use, and slide the second track closer or further to the first track until you're satisfied with the timing and fades. Both songs should be at zero level. You control the fades with the volume levels of both tracks. When you like it, on another stereo track slide your wind effect until it's in the right place for you and you can also control its level with volume and fades on either side.

    When you are satisfied with the whole thing, then bounce all three tracks to one. Present this to the mastering engineer and tell him or her precisely where you think the second song begins and an insert for the second track will be put there. With crossfades this is tricky business, but there is a good spot where the second track will kick in. Bear in mind you will always hear a bit of the first track and half of the wind when you jump to that second track, it's unavoidable. This combined mix of the the two songs and the wind will also apply if you're cutting vinyl. The mastering engineer will scroll when the first is ending and the second song begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonuspomus View Post
    Mastering engineers usually want a finished product. You would be asking them too much of a creative decision for someting you hear in your head.
    I would want the songs and connecting audio as separate files, but with a sample file showing what the client's intent was as far as timing. That's because I may want to process the two songs and the connecting audio differently. Getting it all as one audio file would substantially limit my options.

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