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    Hi there guys!

    I have an Echo Mia (2 analog and 2 digital i/o - s/pdif - no midi), running on a PIII 1,2 gh. Furthermore I use Cubase, lots of plugins and a couple of outboard units.
    I have a gold channel, everything I record runs through it. I plan to get more quality pres and maybe a mixer.

    Now, you really got to help me:

    problem: I need say 4 i/o thus, even though I only record one thing at the time, I'd like to send things in and out again, f.ex. adding outboard reverb and compression to the recorded tracks.

    So please advice me a soundcard that would grant higher sonic quality and more channels. Price tag: 300-500$

    A couple of models that would fit the bills:

    M-Audio Omni-Studio (would I need a mixer if I get this?)
    RME: which one?
    Aarkvard ?
    EMU, new product line?

    Heeelp! :-)
    Last edited by calidus; 03-14-2004 at 11:02.

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    Re: time to upgrade

    Originally posted by calidus
    Hi there guys!

    I have an Echo Mia (2 analog and 2 digital i/o - s/pdif - no midi), running on a PIII 1,2 gh. Furthermore I use Cubase, lots of plugins and a couple of outboard units.
    I have a gold channel, everything I record runs through it. I plan to get more quality pres and maybe a mixer.

    Now, you really got to help me:

    problem: I need say 4 i/o thus, even though I only record one thing at the time, I'd like to send things in and out again, f.ex. adding reverb and compression to the recorded tracks.

    So please advice me a soundcard that would grant higher sonic quality and more channels. Price tag: 300-500$

    A couple of models that would fit the bills:

    M-Audio Omni-Studio (would I need a mixer if I get this?)
    RME: which one?
    Aarkvard ?
    EMU, new product line?

    Heeelp! :-)
    M-Audio Omni-Studio: Just get the Delta 66 if you're getting better pre's anyway. You're paying for pre's you won't really use.

    RME: I don't know enough about them, other than that they are highly regarded.

    Aardvark: LX6, if as you say you will be getting better pre's.

    EMU: Though promising, I would wait til more is known about their quality in every day use. There's a few brave souls here that have gotten them, but I personally would recommend waiting a bit.

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    Polaris20> Sure, I do need at least two more pres and/or a mixer. I like best keeping things separate vs. all-in-one solutions, so a two channels pre like the DMP3 or (if the money isn't tight) the RNP will be the next thing I buy.

    I kind of discarded the Delta serie based upon the mixed reports on their control panels. As well I don't feel the Delta serie would represent a sonic upgrade on the Echo Mia.

    Also worth to mention that buying used is an option: maybe an Echo Mona or a Digi 001?

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    Originally posted by calidus
    Polaris20> Sure, I do need at least two more pres and/or a mixer. I like best keeping things separate vs. all-in-one solutions, so a two channels pre like the DMP3 or (if the money isn't tight) the RNP will be the next thing I buy.

    I kind of discarded the Delta serie based upon the mixed reports on their control panels. As well I don't feel the Delta serie would represent a sonic upgrade on the Echo Mia.

    Also worth to mention that buying used is an option: maybe an Echo Mona or a Digi 001?
    I'd be careful about buying a used piece, specifically something discontinued. You never know how the previous user handled the card.

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    Question Mia is excellent!

    I think you should stay with Echo Mia, if you don't need
    more than 4 I/O!

    Why?

    Because neither of your alternatives give you better
    audio quality. Mia AD/DA converters are one of the best
    available, at least in this price category !

    Only RME 9652, Echo Audio Layla24 , Delta 1010 or
    Lynx Two can give you little but not much better sound
    quality!

    Check thses measurements of Mia:
    http://audio.rightmark.org/test/echo-mia.html

    How beautiful frequency curve or what ?
    http://audio.rightmark.org/test/mia/echo-mia-2496.html

    If you want to use external harware reverb, then
    just make connections through digital spdif I/O!

    M-Audio Delta 44/66 is older cards and not as good as Mia,
    althought Omnistudio has great preamps!

    Then if you need more than 4 I/O and maybe with preamps,
    can't say anything against Aardvark Q10, but is the sound quality
    better than Mia, I doubt!

    I have to admit that new Emu 1820 m looks very
    attractive .

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    Mace2, thank you very much for the feedback.

    Using the S/pdif i/o for the effect is a great idea.

    I know that the Mia has impressive specs, that's why I bought it. But.... I feel like I need 4 ins and 4 out, as well as I'm intrigued by the idea of getting the converters out of the pc.


    I'm looking at the Aardvark LX6, looks like a good upgrade path. The Emu 1820m though must kick some serious ass, if we believe that SNR is revealing about the quality of the converters, man...120db! Even the M-Audio 1010 has 114db of SNR....

    I feel very tempted to get either of these two....but I want to make the right decision, so I'm still open to suggestions.

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    Cool

    Originally posted by calidus
    Mace2, thank you very much for the feedback.

    Using the S/pdif i/o for the effect is a great idea.

    I know that the Mia has impressive specs, that's why I bought it. But.... I feel like I need 4 ins and 4 out, as well as I'm intrigued by the idea of getting the converters out of the pc.


    I'm looking at the Aardvark LX6, looks like a good upgrade path. The Emu 1820m though must kick some serious ass, if we believe that SNR is revealing about the quality of the converters, man...120db! Even the M-Audio 1010 has 114db of SNR....

    I feel very tempted to get either of these two....but I want to make the right decision, so I'm still open to suggestions.
    Yes, Mia is good!
    I just think you better forget idea
    about Aardvark LX 6 and really consider this new Emu 1820 m,
    It's toatally impressive and if you choose Emulator X package,
    you get massive soft sampler too and tons of sounds!

    The E-MU 1820M features: Mastering-grade 24-bit, 192kHz converters - the same A/D converters used in Digidesign®'s flagship ProTools® HD I/O Interface
    Flexible connectivity with 18 audio inputs and 20 outputs, 32 channels of MIDI I/O, Word Clock, SMPTE and MTC sync, plus a FireWire® port for seamless integration with your entire studio
    Two premium TFPro™ mic preamps with Mic/Line/Hi-Z inputs with 40db of gain/attenuation and 48V phantom power - plug guitars, keyboards and microphones straight into your system
    E-DSP 32-bit Multi-effects Processor offers you over 16 simultaneous hardware-accelerated studio-grade effects with no CPU overhead - plug-in architecture allows you to add new effects as needed
    32 Channels of zero latency Hardware Mixing/ Monitoring with super-flexible virtual patchbay - no external mixer needed
    Full compatibility with most popular audio/sequencer applications with ultra-low latency WDM, DirectSound® and ASIO™ 2.0 Drivers
    Powerful software studio package

    I/O Configuration: Two TFPro Mic/Line/Hi-Z preamps (w/48V phantom power)
    Six 1/4" Balanced Inputs
    Eight 1/4" Balanced Outputs
    Turntable input (w/ground lug and hardware RIAA preamp)
    24-bit/192kHz ADAT In/Out (switchable to S/PDIF)
    24-bit/96kHz coaxial S/PDIF In/Out (switchable to AES/EBU)
    24-bit/96kHz optical S/PDIF Out (switchable to AES/EBU)
    Two sets of MIDI In/Out
    Four stereo 1/8" Speaker Outputs (configurable from stereo to 7.1)
    Stereo Headphone Output
    Firewire® Interface

    Sync Configuration: Word Clock In/Out
    SMPTE In/Out
    MTC Out

    E-DSP Hardware-accelerated Effects, Mixing and Monitoring: E-MU's Digital Audio Systems feature the powerful E-DSP chipset, which features a hardware-accelerated effects processor with over 20 effects plug-ins (over 500 presets). This effects architecture is fully expandable, allowing you to add more effect plug-ins to your system as needed. E-DSP also provides zero-latency, hardware-based mixing and monitoring via the included PatchMix DSP mixer, delivering unmatched flexibility in routing audio between all of your physical and virtual (ASIO/WDM) inputs and outputs- no external mixer needed.

    http://www.emu.com/products/product....incategory=754

    I might sell my Echo Mia and SW1000XG and get this new
    card or this 12120m !!!

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