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    Is a Tascam M-2516 +4???

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    Hey guys,
    Ive got another question. Basically Ive been dreaming lately. Dreaming of a day when I could buy myself a 2" 16 track reel to reel machine. Well I called up Blevins Audio out of Nashville and had a talk with him. He ended up recommending that I go with a MCI JH-16. But then he dropped a bomb on me. I asked him the price and he said 3500.00 I honestly was thinking it'd be closer to 2000.-2500.00. So thats 3500.00 for a JH-16 that is all setup and gone over by them but it does NOT include a Calibration tape. Thats an extra 600 bucks.
    So my problem is that I could afford the JH-16 if I sell my TSR-8 and Tascam M-30 mixer. But then he got to talking about mixers. And then proceeded to drop another even bigger bomb on me. He told me that a decent mixer (that he would sell me) would go for another 3-4000.00. I had initially told him that I intended to cheap out on the mixer and go with a Tascam M-2516.
    But then he warned me that most consumer level mixers are NOT +4. Saying that any mixer to be used with a JH-16 needed to have +4 outputs. He didnt know if the Tascam M-2516 had +4 or not (probably so he could recommend one of his).
    So my main question is does the Tascam M-2516 have +4 outputs? Or am I crazy to cheap out on a mixer if Im going to spend that much on the Reel-to-reel?
    Discuss...
    I own: Tascam TSR-8
    Tascam M-1600 mixer

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    I'm not sure on the 2516 but there are +4 mixers out-there which do not cost an arm and a leg to get, ones which can be had for less than 1K and some closer to 500. I think Cory, sweetbeats, is selling his nice M-520 so you may wanna ask him about it. You can also get a couple of those +4 / -10 converter boxes. Point is, it doesn't need to get expensive, especially if you're a one man band. I personally would put my money into a nice 2" deck and find a much better deal on a mixer. Don't confuse the price of a mixer as somehow equivalent to quality. That's not necessarily true. Something like the M500 series goes for peanuts and gives a great bang for the buck, even with a 2" deck.

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    So then would the M-520 be considered a +4 mixer? Cause I think my dream might still be alive...
    I hadnt looked at a M-520 but it looks like its exactly what Im looking for. As long as its a +4 Id have no problem with it...
    And yeah I would rather go with a cheaper mixer and a really nice RTR. I cant see spending 3-4-5000.00 plus on a mixer...Not when Im already thinking about dropping 3500 for a RTR...I mean what, does it record the music itself?
    I own: Tascam TSR-8
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    The M-500 series is indeed +4 switchable.

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    Oh damn, I'll have to pull out the manual when I get home and find out.
    The interface said to use "Windows XP or higher"...

    ... I used tape...

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    Hi,

    The 2516 only has -10 inputs and outputs, only the main LR out would be +4.

    It's easy to pad the returns from the +4 machine to -10, the problem is that you have to convert -10 to +4 from the console to the tape machine. I had a 24 channel level converter built but I'm guessing it will cost you a few 100 dollars to do.

    Has the tape machine got the +4 -10 switching option?

    Cheers

    Alan.

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    Is your heart set on the MCI? you could get hold of a MSR16, that will be -10 and you can use your 1/2" tapes that you have for the TSR8, would be a who lot cheaper.
    Last edited by witzendoz; 03-11-2009 at 17:42. Reason: extra info

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    M-2516/2524:
    • All line-level ins are unbalanced -10dBV
    • Group and direct outs are unbalanced -10dBV
    • Aux, Control Room and Studio outs are unbalanced 0dBu
    • The Stereo outs are on XLR's and TS but in either case are unbalanced at 0dBu


    M-520:
    • The whole thing is unbalanced RCA ins and outs at -10dBV, BUT...
    • There is a sweet "Balance Amp" section. It is basically an 8-channel independent unbalanced to balanced converter...8 RCA's in at -10dBV, 8 balanced XLR's out at +4 or +8dBu. You can patch ANY combination of RCA outs to the Balance Amp and convert 'em to balanced +4. Maybe you want to run your Group outs balanced...bam. You can do that. Maybe you are running the board in more of a live setting and you want your 4 Auxes and a stereo main balanced plus a couple other long balanced runs using two of the groups or something...bam. You can do that too.
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    Well my heart is not exactly set on the MCI...but I do have it set on a 2" 16 track setup. The other thing that Im after is that I dont want to buy from Ebay. Thats why I decided to check out Blevins. I honestly would rather pay just a little bit more for the peace of mind knowing that he'll at least stand behind it more than the average ebayer.
    If anyone knows of other alternatives to Blevins let me know.
    I just found out about the whole +4 requirement today.
    From the specs that Sweetbeats posted Im thinking that maybe even the M-520 wont do. I dont have to have a super complicated mixer but (correct me if Im wrong) I will need a +4 mixer with at least 16 ins/outs.
    Since I know next to nothing about what is out there for mixers I have to rely on you guys throwing me ideas...Honestly the M-520 looks great. Its even a large format mixer that looks professional. Thing is that Ill probably never use the mixer in any other setup besides with the MCI or other large Reel to reel. Its too bad that its not a +4...
    I own: Tascam TSR-8
    Tascam M-1600 mixer

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    ...and here I thought, from the M-520 documentation, that the board could be switched to +4. Thanks for clarifying Cory and sorry poop.

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    The 300 series mixers from TASCAM could also be used for +4 tape returns by using the mic ins and trimming them back to any level you wish to deal with. They are only a 4 buss mixer but are damn clean and good sounding boards.

    I have two M312B's still available but you'd have to come to Toronto to get them. 800 bucks for the pair.

    I've been using them with my MS-16, 1" 16 track which is also available for 2500, fully restored with freshly re lapped heads and 100% operational.

    Do you want great gear and not spend a fortune? Think about my offer. And remember, Toronto is not on another planet!

    Cheers!

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