Tascam 388 Recommendations

lofipower

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okay, so i'm really looking for a tascam 388 and i'm having a bit of trouble but thats not the biggest problem i'm facing...my bandmates are not sure of the quality produced by this machine and are skeptical about its reliability as compared to other digital solutions. i am a fan of analog machines and i think this is the best option for a basic recorder (the built-in mixer is a big plus) with a great sound, however, i need a little help convincing them this is the right choice. if anyone owns this unit and would be willing to possibly either post samples of recordings done on the machine or give a little description of the machine's sound it would be greatly appreciated. i'm pretty sure many people recommend this machine, i just hope my bandmates will heed this advice.

thanks
 
I wish I had something to post for you to listen to but I dont. Maybe Reel will come in hear and post a link to some of his stuff.
All I can offer is mine sounds great as a matter of fact both of mine sound great and Reel person has 4 of them and I think he will tell you that they sound great as well.
I would buy what makes me happy and not what they think will make them or you happy. If you find a nice 388 recorder I would not hesitate to grab that bad boy in hurry.
If you find a good 388 you will be putting tracks down in about 5 minutes.
If you get a digital recorder you will spend 5 hours with the manual before you even get to screw up your first track up. :D
 
Dude!

I'm here.

First, I'd be skeptical about trying to convince anything about analog to a person with a "digital is better" mind set. There are two distinct camps, [Analog/Digital], and different trains of thought, and not very often do they overlap or meet half way.

I hate to tell you this, right off, but it often breaks out over lines of age. "Older folk", like me & Herm, often stick to analog, often times because it's what we know & are comfortable with,... among other things.

Likewise, the "younger" crowd often go "digital" because it's all they know, and they've been indoctrinated with the "wonders of the computer age", and "digital is better" mentality since birth, of which there's still a healthy amount of debate going on, to this date, in more "expert" circles than this. Digital and the computer has seemingly been represented as everything good, up to and including the being savior of the world!

[SORRY to be making assumptions about the age of the person who asked the question!!! But,... I'll continue!!]

Excuse me, with all due respect to your band of cohorts, if you're layin' down the bread, it's your decision. They may never fully support you, no matter what you do, so be prepared for lots of criticism from people with no power or say-so in the deal. If they want to be recorded, and they're looking to you for a solution, then they'd better be nice & feel at home with whatever solution you come up with, or just buy their own recording "solution", themselves. The person who spends the money has the power, and that's the bottom line.

A Tascam 388 will never be digital or compete, feature for feature, with a "digital solution", because they are just two different things, from design concept, & on up. However, the 388 often excels at things that the "digital solution" may be weak at, in case after case-study. In essence, they are so very different, that I'd hesitate in comparing them at all,... but, you know,... I've actually done just that, many times, and you asked for it! Been there/Done that, & the 388 always comes out the winner, IMO, every time.

Think of the price range of the 388 [$300-$550] and comparable digital "solutions" you'd likely get at the same price.

--> Things like number of mixer channels,... many digital "solutions" only have two inputs and TWO [input-side] mixer channels, but the 388 has 8.
--> How 'bout a "mix-buss"? Many digital "solutions" have none, whatsoever, but the 388 has 8.
--> How 'bout onboard EQ? Many digital "solutions" have either prefab EQ presets, or some EQ scheme that's buried in a menu system. The 388 has 3-band sweepable EQ on each channel, "real" tactile EQ controls [knobs], right on the mixer top panel.
-->Faders? Many digital "solutions" will link two tracks permanently on a single fader, but the 388 has a full complement of 8 faders, one for each track.

The list of comparisons and differences goes on & on, and there are many so-called digital "solutions" out there. Many look alike & some are different, but there's only one Tascam 388. One. They broke the mold when they produced the 388!

On the other hand the market is glutted with "me-too" clone digital designs, too many to mention individually. The same-ness of them all is almost stupefying.

Compare the 388 head-to-head with many digital "solutions" out there, if you want, as I've done myself, many times, and I have yet to find an all-in-one digital "solution" that packs as much in features and quality as the 388.

--> Now, there's sound quality. The 388 has that characteristically smooth top end and rounded-bottom sound quality that's typical of analog, that's as yet to be fully duplicated on any digital "solution" out there. The typical raw digital recorded sound is about as natural & pleasant as nails on a chalkboard, or breaking glass.

Q: What's the most talked about topic in digital, or issue that's hotly pursued in engineering circles?
A: How to get that analog "warmth" back in digital recording. Hey, quote specs, bits and bytes all you want, or tell me "warmth" is just "distortion", but it's what people want, in most cases that you'll hear of. There's a whole industry dedicated to putting the "warmth" of analog back into "sterile" digital recording. A whole industry.

--> How'bout ease of "data" storage and transfer? Many digital "solutions" bind you to some archaic backup scheme, of only-too-quickly outdated technology, or they tether you permanently to the 'puter. That's not what some people want, to be tethered to their 'puter,... although it's good enough for a great many of you, digitally inclined readers.

--> The 388 has a simple removable media, being the common and widely available 7" reel of 1/4" tape. When your reel's full, you just pop on another, and it takes maybe a few seconds. Archiving the reels is no problem, as they have almost unlimited shelf life.

--> They can still play the earliest 1/4" tapes from the 40's, but I dare you to find a comparable solution to playing some of those earliest PCM-encoded digital tapes from the late 70's! Now, consider CF flash media, SD data cards & all that,... each technology only occupying a few years of useful life in the marketplace. Consider it, because it's a factor.

--> Those other backup schemes of so-called digital "solutions"? Dude, don't get me started!

--> All the many formats and schemes of the "digital revolution" are outdated too darned quickly! Remember when all the 20-Bit people thought they were on top of the world?

Of course, there's always at least one digital "revolutionary" who's going to read this, and come charging out all great-guns, & tell me I'm full of crap, and digital is "it". I expect that,... but people, I've compared features, value, price, and yes,... sound quality,... of the 388 to a fair amount of the digital "solutions" out there, first hand, and I have yet to find any one digital 8-track "solution" that does not pale in comparison to the 388.

You want slick, advanced editing? Get digital & forget anything analog. For everything else in function, ease of use, and sound quality, go analog and/or get the 388, [in the case of this example].

Dollar for dollar, you can't beat the 388 as a total "solution",... with the only drawback being analog's a used gear market only, so be very careful about finding a low-use deck in relatively good shape. They are out there, if you look hard enough.

Otherwise,... stack up those digital "solutions" against the 388, one after the other, feature for feature, dollar for dollar,... GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY! The decision is easy. It's the 388.

I don't really care what your friends say. I've been home recording for well over 22 years, and I've seen all the coming and going of the latest digital gear. I'm not just talking out'my'ass. I've given digital and 'puter recording a fair chance, more than once, ... and I HATED IT! Talk about hate,... we could talk about the Tascam US-428, but that's a whole other story, and you probably don't have that much time.

For my money, it's the 388, and I have FOUR of them! For balance of comparison,... I also have the Fostex FD-8, Yamaha MD-8, Fostex FD-4 and Tascam 564,... which are all good digital machines in their own right, but they all lack "something", while 388 has it all. [HINT: I also have all sorts of other great analog gear, spanning the formats from cassette to 1"].

The 388 was a pro-level machine in it's day, and not some tinker toy, like the Fostex MR-8.

--> The 388 literally crushes the likes of the MR-8. Literally!

--> The Fostex VF-08 or VF-80?? Naaaaaaaaaah!! Neither of those units have 8 inputs or record 8 tracks simultaneously. Neither does the DMT-8 or FD-8. As a self contained unit, the DMT-8 is only a 4-buss architecture, and the FD-8 is 2 buss. The FD-8, in particular, WILL record 8-tracks simultaneously, with the addition of an ADAT-I/O compatible mixer, but that's another piece of gear entirely, and then the FD-8's no longer a self contained "solution". The 388 records 8 discrete tracks, simultaneously, in 8-buss format,... all "in the box".

--> Dude, you'd need a Fostex VF-16 or Tascam 2488 to equal what the 388 offers up front, in one pass, in a self-contained "solution", but even then it's a very uneven comparison. F/I, the Tascam 2488, in all it's glory, only has 4 XLR inputs, and yet the "antiquated" 388 has 8.

--> Forget the Tascam 788, as it only records 6-tracks simultaneously, w/no XLR inputs, and has all the backup-restore nightmarish complications of all the rest of the digital workstations in it's class.

--> Honestly, the best head to head comparison you'll get to the 388 would be the Yamaha MD-8. Trust me on that. However, the MD-8 is only a 4-buss architecture with advanced Direct recording function, which totals up to give you actual 8-simul recording,... but not true 8x8 8-buss architecture,... which is something it may take you a while to really appreciate. Also, some people shy away from the MD-8 because of something called "Minidisc" and "ATRAC". That's a whole other post!

All bow! Hail to the grandeur of the Tascam 388!

I could go on, if you want me to!! Say Uncle!!

STOP ME NOW;) :eek:
 
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Okay, you've heard the lecture. Now here this!

Here are some examples of recordings done on the Tascam 388:

http://www.nowhereradio.com/davemania/singles

See:
"Moonage Daydream",... recorded without dbx engaged, oops!!
"Long Time Gone"
"God"
"Listen to My Heart"
"Love Me Do"
... all produced on the Tascam 388.

[There's also a scratch take of "It's a Long Way Back", done on the 388, but the nature of this "scratch", or "one-off" recording might not be as suitable for actual comparison of the 388 as the others, above, 5 fully produced pieces. Have fun with it, though!].

This is not a thread about my contribution to the musical world, my musical taste, musicianship or my engineering skills, but I hope you find some genuinely redeeming qualities in my posts, nonetheless.

Pls feel free to visit this page again, and listen to my other works,... as often as you like!! Help yourself!! There's lots of stuff from the Tascam 38 [1/2" tape], as well as loads of stuff off the 244 and 424mkII cassette Portastudios. Hear them all, for comparison's sake, if you have the time!! [The analog-mixer/digital-recorder hybrid Fostex FD-4 is featured on that page, too!! FYI].

Thanx, man, and good luck to you, whatever you decide.

I've already decided, myself, and that's why I'm mainly analog, and the 388 is one of my most used units, & centerpiece of my studio.

See me, Feel me, Touch me,... HEAL ME!!!

Dude, what I've said is not HYPE. If you want hype, I've got that too!

/DA
 
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Ooh,...

Sorry for the long dissertation, I know it's not what you asked for! I thought I'd give my full analysis, though, 'cause I've analyzed the 388 vs. other 8-trackers, at length, and I thought I'd share my views, in full. Other similar posts of mine are all over this board, I think you've already seen. I hope the lengthy analysis helps, in general, and likewise, that it proves interesting to those less familiar with the subject.

More, I hope my recordings do justice to whatever you'd think a hifi analog 8-tracker should sound like, enough to satisfy those who need convincing.

I'm probably one of the few "specialists" on the subject of the 388. I've done my homework on the 388 and comparable 8-trackers, as I own a variety of them, and they all have something special about them, but the 388 is the total package. I'm passionate about home recording, & especially about the 388. I get a little excited when talking about it.

Could you tell? Heh. ;)
 
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Now, this is the Dave we know!! Good to have you back FULLY on board once again!!

:) :) :) :D :D :D
 
388 rocks!!

I have a 388 I've used for about 10 years. I have dragged it all over the country, and it still works great, except for the lights in the VU meters which have one by one burned out. (If anyone knows where to get replacements, I'd sure appreciate the info.) The mixer section of the unit is killer, with 3-band sweepable EQ's on each channel, as well as numerous other features. The manual that comes with it is the best written I've encountered, and the sound quality is superb, considering the narrow medium and relatively slow tape speed. I've had no problems with crosstalk, tape saturation or hiss (the machine has built-in dbx).

I use the 388 in conjunction with, and sometimes in preference to ProTools LE, and I often find the sound to be nicer straight off the reel, so to speak. The 388 would be great for recording a band live, due to its generous selection of inputs, outputs and access points.

For some stuff I've done using my 388 check out:
soundclick/gavinmcgeorge

I only wish the 388 didn't reproduce any shortcomings in my performance so perfectly ;)

Gav-O
 
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With the 388, you can plug things into the mixer, press rec and go. You have a bunch of inputs and can record large parts of the band at once without expensive A/D converters and software crashes. You can take it with you without risking that the hard disc crashes or the video board shaking loose.

To do what you can with the 388 you need a portable PC with a high-class 8 in 2 out audio interface (which probably means a Motu 88 firewire interface) plus a bunch of extra preamps (because the Motu only has 2). You also need some software, and you need to get all thet working and learn it.

The 388 is eaiser to learn, has all you need except effects. You also need tape, really pure cleaning alcohol and cotton swabs.

The "smooth top end and full bottom" talked about is indeed an artifact of much anlog gear. In effect, this is something that imposes a sound on whatyou record. This helps your recordings "stick together" and sound coherent, instead of as a bunch of separate instruments. (This actually gets enhanced the crappier stuff you use. I never had a coherency problem with the things I recorder to 4-track casette. But when I sync synthesizers to my 8-tack, I do. I should probably record them instead of sync, but then I need a 16-track. Ah well.)
 
good news

triple, a member of homerecording.com forums recently PMed me with an offer on his tascam 388. we are currently negotiating payment and shipping but i'm just really excited to have found one of these machines. it turns out my friends went ahead with their own money and bought a digital 16 track. they are having a lot of trouble navigating the menus and such and admitted that they may need to use the 388 when i get it. they should've listened to me. at least they got a groove tubes GT55 for free with purchase. all i need it a phantom power generator and i will get to use that mic.
 
Great!

Packing is of the utmost importance.

The 388 is a mega-heavy, oversized item. It takes an oversized, heavy duty box, and lots of protective padding, bubble wrap and/or styrofoam blocks to keep it secure in transit.

UPS isn't known for it's gentle handling of boxes. It should be packed to be as drop-proofed as possible. It wouldn't hurt if the seller put a bit of flat cardboard over the plexiglass tape cover, too. Also, blocking or reinforcing the packing around the corners is very helpful.

I once packed a friend's 388, with heavy duty packaging in custom-cut cardboard, that was then transported in the trunk of a small car, underneath my friend's and all his buddies' luggage, on a classic college-dorm "road trip", from California to Texas, one way. I packaged it knowing it would be underneath everyone's gear, including underneath the mechanic's toolbox, and it came through spotlessly.

Pack for the task. UPS has ruined more than it's fair share of classic audio gear. Most of us have stories to tell, but you don't wanna go there.

Good for you, & all that. Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
 
UPS and The ups store is the Devil and they still owe me 700.00 for destroying a Fostex E-16. :mad:

Sorry but I need to say that once in a while so that it stays on the net.
 
any ideas about fed-ex

well i get discounts on fed-ex thru my father who ships alot of stuff so i think i'll end up using that. any comments on the care fed-ex puts into shipping this stuff. even tho the seller is packaging it in the same box he got it in when he won it on ebay, which he describes as sturdy enough to have a bus run over it and the 388 still be intact.
 
That sounds reassuring!!

You should probably be okay with that.

FedEx is better than UPS. [MO]

Also, the less time a package spends in the transit system, the better.
That is, 3-Day delivery is better than 10-Day delivery service,... [also MO].
 
I had a recent conversation with a Purolator courier a few weeks ago and we were talking about the subject of package care handling.

He informed me that most major couriers, which includes UPS, Fed-ex and so on, all use automated and semi-automated processing centers which make use of sorting equipment for handling different packages of differing weights and sizes to sort out to different locations and destinations.

This equipment makes use of gravity drop conveyors that can drop a package up to four feet from one line, onto another so even if every human being working there handles your box with kid glove kindness, the belt lines and sorters do not so, package your gear accordingly to sustain a four foot drop at minimum and it should make it through to the other side unharmed and in one piece.

This means at minimum, double boxing anything over 20 pounds and using at least four inches of real padding, (strofoam or injection foam),that is tightly and densely packed. If we are talking about shipping reel to reel decks and bigger sized mixers, I would consider six inches of padding all around and triple boxing.


Cheers! :)
 
Also if you have to ship with Ups, Which I dont suggest cause they are the DEVIL, but do not use The ups store company cause they are not ups.
They are just some Joe that has paid for the right to use the name The ups store.
If you ship a package with them and it is lost or damaged you are not allowed to talk or deal with ups cause you used the ups store, Even though they shipped it with ups.
If there is a problem The ups store tells you that you are out of luck because ups said it was your fault for not packing correctly, So the money you paid for insurance is lost and you are out your money.
 
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